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        01-20-2014, 02:03 PM
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    I just wanted to say that I think it's awesome that you are so concerned/involved in your daughter's riding. When I was a kid, my mom would drop me off at the barn in the morning and pick me up in the evening. I could have been riding elephants all that time and she would have never known.
         
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        01-20-2014, 06:30 PM
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    Originally Posted by horselessmom    
    Thanks!

    She was told to lean back and sit on her pockets when she started cantering, and she thinks this is how she's supposed to ride--no one has ever corrected this posture, other than me trying to gently suggest she doesn't lean back as much. But she knows I'm not a riding expert.

    Now as she's newly interested in the posture, I'll try again.
    The sitting back on pockets is fine, but the leaning of the upper body back.. is what I was primarily commenting on Usually having a stronger core helps the rider to be able to keep upright without feeling like they're being thrown back or creeping forward onto their crotch.

    She's a good little rider though :)
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        01-20-2014, 07:17 PM
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    Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
    The sitting back on pockets is fine, but the leaning of the upper body back.. is what I was primarily commenting on Usually having a stronger core helps the rider to be able to keep upright without feeling like they're being thrown back or creeping forward onto their crotch.

    She's a good little rider though :)
    Okay, got it! She thinks they are one and the same. She said that when she leans back like this it is easier to canter, so maybe yes, she's not strong enough to sit straighter. Her current trainer apparently commented once for her not to lean forward, so she's overcompensating + she feels it is more comfortable.
         
        01-24-2014, 10:06 AM
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    Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
    I wish you would have kept the original audio so we could hear what was being said...

    I am not an expert so take everything I say lightly.

    That saddle is flapping around SO much.. I don't think it is a good fit at all (this is an FYI...)

    As a rider, she seems balanced.. she isn't tense or tipping around. The slight chair seat likely comes from the position of the fenders... most are located slightly infront so you'd be working against the leather if you pulled your leg back into correct aligned position.

    Her arms aren't rigid, she's not taking them with her. They look fine. Western doesn't ride with contact so there isn't a line from bit through to elbow.. the horse is reaching into the bridle but sometimes needs more leg which is likely why the trainer is saying "get him into the bridle."

    Her toe is pointed down, which may mean that she is posting from her toes, instead of stretching her legs down around the horse and posting from the horse's forward momentum. When a horse jogs, usually the rider doesn't have enough momentum to post as high as she is.. if that makes sense. The jog is flatter than the trot (typically.) The flatter the gait, the less thrust.

    Now to answer your actual question.... sometimes we need to learn to ride effectively before we learn to ride pretty.

    Some people, like myself, did it backwards.. and thus have all of these bad habits from trying to be 'perfectly aligned' instead of getting the horse going how you want and then tweaking.

    But it can be done the other way too. If you focus on body position first, then likely the rider won't develop bad habits as easily I suppose. It depends on your personal belief on how you want to learn. There are positives and negatives to each.

    Now if the trainer isn't giving ANY feedback.. I'd talk with them and let them know that you would like to know what she can work on, etc.

    Sometimes they don't give feedback because it can be overwhelming to the student, or it's just their teaching style.

    Bottom line... if you don't like what you're paying for then say something or find someone else.
    I totally agree! My trainer would tell me I don't need to work so hard to post. Also, it seems like she pulls back on the horse or moves her hands around a lot. I don't know if the trainer is telling her to or not but like said above, western riding uses limited contact. If the horse gets to fast, do a quick half-halt but then leave the horses mouth alone. I'm not sure if she is a little bit nervous because the trainer isn't telling her if she's doing good or not. And just keep those heels down. But overall I'd say she's doing good.
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        01-24-2014, 04:38 PM
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    Originally Posted by horselessmom    
    Thanks, Tinyliny! I asked her and she says that some of the time she rides in a different saddle, which was the trainer's when she was a child, so I assume at least some of the time she has a better fit with the saddle.

    About the flapping--is it the saddle's fit, or the way it was put on?

    What makes you say that she's more suited to English riding? She wants to ride Western for now, and I find that the barn culture is much nicer in this barn than in the English barns here.

    What would you suggest she do with her arms instead of pulling them back? Why is she instructed to pull back? Why it is not a good thing?

    Thanks!
    I'm a little confused as to why her instructor has her posting then....as posting is not a western thing. Although...I WILL long trot my WP horses and post, but for western...she needs to learn to sit a jog.

    She is in a chair seat, as her thighs are up...she's not stretched down through her whole leg, and she needs to bring her leg back at he hip. Her thighs should be pointing more toward the ground.

    This is me on my WP horse I retired two years ago, and even in this pic....I could bring my leg back a tad more from the hip:



    See how my hip to knee, then knee to foot is almost the same distance? This is what you want western, it's very close to a dressage leg.

    Your daughter is cute as a button and love her upper body how straight and quiet it is. But if she wants to ride western, she needs to learn to sit the jog and not post. Many times that is the rider's downfall....not being able to sit a jog and sit it correctly.
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        01-24-2014, 04:44 PM
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    Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
    The sitting back on pockets is fine, but the leaning of the upper body back.. is what I was primarily commenting on Usually having a stronger core helps the rider to be able to keep upright without feeling like they're being thrown back or creeping forward onto their crotch.

    She's a good little rider though :)

    You don't want to sit on your back pockets...it's a popular misconception with western. You WANT to be centered and balanced which means....so you can feel your seat bones (and part of your crotch....like a "triangle"), but not rolled further back. Her upper body is just fine....it's from the hip/seat and down. If she got her hips underneath and leg back...it would pretty much be perfect.
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        01-25-2014, 03:07 PM
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    Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
    I'm a little confused as to why her instructor has her posting then....as posting is not a western thing. Although...I WILL long trot my WP horses and post, but for western...she needs to learn to sit a jog.

    She is in a chair seat, as her thighs are up...she's not stretched down through her whole leg, and she needs to bring her leg back at he hip. Her thighs should be pointing more toward the ground.

    This is me on my WP horse I retired two years ago, and even in this pic....I could bring my leg back a tad more from the hip:



    See how my hip to knee, then knee to foot is almost the same distance? This is what you want western, it's very close to a dressage leg.

    Your daughter is cute as a button and love her upper body how straight and quiet it is. But if she wants to ride western, she needs to learn to sit the jog and not post. Many times that is the rider's downfall....not being able to sit a jog and sit it correctly.
    Thanks!

    She does sit the jog. They do both in lessons. If her trainer tells them to post, they post. If they are told to sit the jog, they sit the jog. I think it is about 60% sitting jog, 40% posting right now.

    I can't get it on video until it is warmer, though!
         
        01-25-2014, 03:11 PM
      #38
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    Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
    You don't want to sit on your back pockets...it's a popular misconception with western. You WANT to be centered and balanced which means....so you can feel your seat bones (and part of your crotch....like a "triangle"), but not rolled further back. Her upper body is just fine....it's from the hip/seat and down. If she got her hips underneath and leg back...it would pretty much be perfect.
    Interesting, thanks! Actually it was an English trainer, an eventer, who told her to sit on her pockets. I wonder if it was to just get her more secure in the beginning, when she was learning to canter. It was also said when she was cantering without stirrups on a lunge line.

    Thank you for the tips!
         
        01-25-2014, 03:19 PM
      #39
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    Originally Posted by horselessmom    
    Thanks!

    She does sit the jog. They do both in lessons. If her trainer tells them to post, they post. If they are told to sit the jog, they sit the jog. I think it is about 60% sitting jog, 40% posting right now.

    I can't get it on video until it is warmer, though!
    Gotcha!! When the instructor asks her to sit the jog, does she slow the horse down....and then bump her up to a trot for the posting trot?
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        01-25-2014, 03:23 PM
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    Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
    Gotcha!! When the instructor asks her to sit the jog, does she slow the horse down....and then bump her up to a trot for the posting trot?
    Honestly, no clue!

    I'm actually not exactly sure what you are asking?
         

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