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post #11 of 17 Old 12-12-2012, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~ View Post
Tiny, the picture you selected shows a perching rider who is using the bit for balance. The last trot picture is showing the rider in a more effective position and the horse becomes less strung out and better able to carry himself in a balanced way. From that position, there is a starting point.

Well, there you go! That could be me, at my BEST form. I def need some lessons!

KS you might benefit from a different saddle. I have not been in a car accident, however if sitting correctly on the fork of a saddle with a too narrow twist, I also lose feeling in my legs. A well fitted saddle for the rider goes a long way. You might also try sitting further towards the pommel. While massage may help, it is likely also that the muscle tissue on your one side has been weakened. Lifting weights and working with a physio and personal trainer might be the best to help you get even. I know my riding and the evenness in my body has improved greatly with general conditioning and with leaps and bounds since I started powerlifting. Weight lifting is a great way to increase coordination, strength, balance, muscle tone, bone density, etc. But clear it with a Dr. and physio first.

We cannot expect our horses to be even if we are not even. We can't expect them to balance and be in self carriage when we rely on the bit to be balanced and cannot be in self carriage ourselves.

And on the subject of PK, tread carefully around that man and his methods. The method you describe is from Baucher, the original proponent of Rolkur. Which as I recall you are usually quick to condemn, tiny. Be very careful manipulating only the head without a leg on, and even more cautious suggesting it to others. Most of the problem with an advanced method like LDR is its use by folks who have no idea what they are doing. They put the cart before the horse, so to speak. Do not focus on the head. With correct training it will come. The horse is only braced in the neck from the rider pulling, nothing more, and pulling more will not fix it. Just because someone took time to write it in a book does not make it a catch all for every situation. Nor useful for most horses.
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I don't think I have spent much energy condemning Rolkur. I don't support it though. Baucher may have been the original proponent of Rolker in his first writings, which tend to be the one's most remembered and quoted. But he later wrote more and rethought things and , if I remember correctly, came to NOT believe in Rolkur. His second book is often overlooked.
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post #12 of 17 Old 12-17-2012, 12:55 AM
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Aside from the position issues - which I covered in the last thread you started on this, and very much agree with Anebel's observations and suggestions - I can see that the shoulder and back have freed up quite a lot since the last group of photos. I'm glad to hear that you have taken some of my suggestions into account in your riding.

From this point, it is really going to be fixing your own riding now, that will loosen him up that step more, until he is truly free through the back, shoulder and hind leg. Right now, your position is making that impossible for him even if you ride him 'correctly' through the exercises, and he wants to loosen for you.
I know saddles are expensive, so is there a chance that you could try a few different saddles on him that you can borrow from friends, to see if they make a difference in your position and balance? This saddle is really doing you no favours.

Weights are brilliant as Anebel has already stated - I'd be doing a lot of pin loaded leg weights - squats are excellent for this (I did my first 80kg squat series in the gym the other day, very pleased!!).
But most of all, work on your core. Try and sign up at a gym and do core and abdominal building work, and if you can, attend some of the classes that gym's offer. I love to do the RPM and core building classes at least once a week.
You will really notice an improvement in your riding if your core is strong. I have not seen you engage your core in any of the photo's you've put up - which means you have to grip with your leg and rein to stay in the saddle.

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I don't have the patience to give a good critique but I find I like picture 1 and the last picture the best.


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Can you ride bareback comfortably, even if only at the walk? That might allow you a chance to practice lengthening your leg and sitting deeper. Put a neck strap on your horse so that if you need something to catch your balance you are not bracing on his mouth.
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post #15 of 17 Old 01-10-2013, 05:08 PM
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I have a similar problem with my leg as you do, I get shooting pains and then numbness.
I find that if you do, stop, take your leg out of the stirrup and raise your knee up directly infront of you towards your nose. When it is parralell to the floor, rotate it out and back as far as you can keeping it as parallel to the floor as possible. then drop it down and back into your stirrup.
I find this helps free up what ever has been impinged and returns sensation to my leg.

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post #16 of 17 Old 01-10-2013, 06:01 PM
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Everyone has offered excellent suggestions. I will add that I see a very "locked" back and abdomen in these photos. When these are locked (often because the rider wants to stiffen to LOOK good) the rider is unable to absorb any of the horse's movements. As a result, when the horse moves, the rider is unable to maintain their seat and is bounced out on every stride.

Work on softening and strengthening your back and abdomen so that you can "melt" into the saddle and absorb the movement. Riding without stirrups will help, as long as you MAKE yourself unlock and move with your core muscles.

The stiff body posture is one of the reasons your shoulders and arms are stiff, as well, making you unable to absorb the movement of the horse's fore/reins.
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I think anabel should run a hf clinic. I'd show up with two horses!
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