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    11-25-2010, 06:12 PM
  #1
Trained
Unicorn....come hither!

Ok...I tried to find decent shots of Boo - ......and I'd of had more time to search if you weren't harassing me on Facebook

I remember you and I used to play this over on that other forum.....but I love it when you do it

This is the best I have at the moment. This was taken 3 years ago....



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    11-25-2010, 06:27 PM
  #2
Trained
Huh????? Lol
     
    11-25-2010, 06:28 PM
  #3
Showing
He's a very good-looking boy! A little thin for my taste in the picture but of course this was 3 yeares ago. He's very well-proportioned!
     
    11-25-2010, 07:30 PM
  #4
Started
What breed is he? He reminds me of a dutch warmblood my trainer has :) I like him a lot!
     
    11-25-2010, 07:34 PM
  #5
Yearling
Okay... I might have missed some stuff... ran out of time... but here's what I got for Nelson

Body Length = 7.78cm
Shoulder Slope = 60 degrees
Shoulder Angle = 86.52 degrees
Scapula Length = 3.15 cm which is 40% of Body Length
Humorous Length = 1.69cm about 53% of Scapula Length
Forearm Length = 1.96cm
Cannon Length = 1.35cm about 69% of forearm length
Pastern Length = .61cm about 45% of cannon length
Back Length = 3.6cm about 46% of Body Length
Ribcage Length = 3.65 cm about 100% of Back Length
Hip Length = 2.43cm about 31% of Body Length
Femur Length = 2.49 cm longer than Hip Length
Pelvic Length = 2.43cm equal to Hip Length
Hip Angle = 59.75 degrees
Femur Angle = 60.06 degrees
Pelvic Angle = 59.65 degrees
Neck Length = 4.95 cm about 64% of Body Length
 
Okay… so Nelson here is showing a nicely balanced, square body… that’s the first thing I see when I look at this horse.

Then, looking at his shoulder slope… which is 60 degrees (according to this photo) it’s on the steep side. We’re really shooting for around 45-50 degrees here. Unfortunately, it looks like it’s also paired with a pretty closed shoulder angle… seeing as how it’s 86.52 degrees… in a perfect world it would range between 100 and 115 degrees. Paired together we have a steep, closed shoulder, which is going to limit this horse’s scope to a certain degree… however he does have an amazingly long scapula, and that is paired with a more than adequate length of humorous… which means, his shoulder pretty much evens out in the end. Where the angles create a weakness, the size of that shoulder makes up for it to a certain extent, which probably means that his ability to lift and reach forward is not critically hindered.

Going down his foreleg he is straight, and has enough bone and hoof for his size. His forearm exceeds the length of his humorous, his cannon is less than 75% of his forearm length coming in about 69% of forearm length (though, ideally we’d see it more like 50%… short cannons are good ) and a pastern length which is pretty good as well (45% of cannon length is well within the accepted borders)

His Back length is less than half of his body length, and his ribcage length is a little over 100% of his back length (this is a GOOD thing.. It makes for a shorter, stronger loin). I actually like how this horse’s back is connected - both at the wither and at the LS joint, and it shows strength even into this horse’s 20’s (he is over 20 right?)

The LS placement itself is pretty good too. In other posts I’ve mentioned that the placement should be at, or just ahead of the point of hip… so his is good (marked by a dot).

His hip length is actually a little less than the idea - being only 31% of his body length (in this photo anyhow). The angles are pretty good too - if you’ll note there is less than 1 degree of difference between these angles, and that can be put down to the inaccuracy of the photograph without having to stretch the imagination.

We can see that his hind legs are also well put together - there is enough angulation there to allow for power and thrusting ability… but not too much so. He’ll have some speed, power and agility in that hindquarter - as he has proven over the years.

His neck, in this photo comes up as being about 64% of his Body Length… this is technically a bit on the long side for his body, but, I don’t find it takes away from his overall look of balance. I will say that I find this gelding ties in low to his chest, thus, reducing the amount of depth to his chest - but I don’t think so much so that he’ll have any real issues because of it. His head is well balanced for his body.
I know some history about this horse, so I can say, without a doubt this horse has heart… and it shows in his expression as well. His overall balance and the “sum of all parts” make this horse an athlete… so again, not the “perfect” horse, but an excellent example of how weaknesses can be balanced by strengths to provide a very serviceable horse.
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    11-25-2010, 07:37 PM
  #6
Started
That is really cool unicorn! I like how you do that!
     
    11-25-2010, 07:39 PM
  #7
Trained
Wowowowowowowowoowowowowowowowow!!!!! I now know what the title means !!!! Lol
     
    11-25-2010, 07:55 PM
  #8
Green Broke
Heeeeeeeeeeyyyy that's awesome!!!
     
    11-25-2010, 07:58 PM
  #9
Showing
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Originally Posted by TheLastUnicorn    
Okay... I might have missed some stuff... ran out of time... but here's what I got for Nelson

Body Length = 7.78cm
Shoulder Slope = 60 degrees
Shoulder Angle = 86.52 degrees
Scapula Length = 3.15 cm which is 40% of Body Length
Humorous Length = 1.69cm about 53% of Scapula Length
Forearm Length = 1.96cm
Cannon Length = 1.35cm about 69% of forearm length
Pastern Length = .61cm about 45% of cannon length
Back Length = 3.6cm about 46% of Body Length
Ribcage Length = 3.65 cm about 100% of Back Length
Hip Length = 2.43cm about 31% of Body Length
Femur Length = 2.49 cm longer than Hip Length
Pelvic Length = 2.43cm equal to Hip Length
Hip Angle = 59.75 degrees
Femur Angle = 60.06 degrees
Pelvic Angle = 59.65 degrees
Neck Length = 4.95 cm about 64% of Body Length
 
Okay… so Nelson here is showing a nicely balanced, square body… that’s the first thing I see when I look at this horse.

Then, looking at his shoulder slope… which is 60 degrees (according to this photo) it’s on the steep side. We’re really shooting for around 45-50 degrees here. Unfortunately, it looks like it’s also paired with a pretty closed shoulder angle… seeing as how it’s 86.52 degrees… in a perfect world it would range between 100 and 115 degrees. Paired together we have a steep, closed shoulder, which is going to limit this horse’s scope to a certain degree… however he does have an amazingly long scapula, and that is paired with a more than adequate length of humorous… which means, his shoulder pretty much evens out in the end. Where the angles create a weakness, the size of that shoulder makes up for it to a certain extent, which probably means that his ability to lift and reach forward is not critically hindered.

Going down his foreleg he is straight, and has enough bone and hoof for his size. His forearm exceeds the length of his humorous, his cannon is less than 75% of his forearm length coming in about 69% of forearm length (though, ideally we’d see it more like 50%… short cannons are good ) and a pastern length which is pretty good as well (45% of cannon length is well within the accepted borders)

His Back length is less than half of his body length, and his ribcage length is a little over 100% of his back length (this is a GOOD thing.. It makes for a shorter, stronger loin). I actually like how this horse’s back is connected - both at the wither and at the LS joint, and it shows strength even into this horse’s 20’s (he is over 20 right?)

The LS placement itself is pretty good too. In other posts I’ve mentioned that the placement should be at, or just ahead of the point of hip… so his is good (marked by a dot).

His hip length is actually a little less than the idea - being only 31% of his body length (in this photo anyhow). The angles are pretty good too - if you’ll note there is less than 1 degree of difference between these angles, and that can be put down to the inaccuracy of the photograph without having to stretch the imagination.

We can see that his hind legs are also well put together - there is enough angulation there to allow for power and thrusting ability… but not too much so. He’ll have some speed, power and agility in that hindquarter - as he has proven over the years.

His neck, in this photo comes up as being about 64% of his Body Length… this is technically a bit on the long side for his body, but, I don’t find it takes away from his overall look of balance. I will say that I find this gelding ties in low to his chest, thus, reducing the amount of depth to his chest - but I don’t think so much so that he’ll have any real issues because of it. His head is well balanced for his body.
I know some history about this horse, so I can say, without a doubt this horse has heart… and it shows in his expression as well. His overall balance and the “sum of all parts” make this horse an athlete… so again, not the “perfect” horse, but an excellent example of how weaknesses can be balanced by strengths to provide a very serviceable horse.
What did you use for the measurement?
     
    11-25-2010, 08:21 PM
  #10
Yearling
Thats awesome! You'll have to do Shaffiek some time =D
     

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