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        08-24-2011, 12:37 PM
      #11
    Yearling
    I don't think they meant that he is completely hopeless, just that at this time he definitely needs a lot of work :). I think he would go a lot better if you supported him more- this is especially apparent in your flatwork, where he is just going around on a loose rein. He isn't being asked to move out or use his back at all, and he isn't on the bit because he has no contact to accept. I think if you schooled him more on the flat with contact and asking him for a nice bend on a circle, he could really improve and be a great little mover. Put him on a 20m circle, get him on your outside rein by leg-yielding him out slightly, and ask him to rock back with a little half-halt. In your flat pictures, he is on the forehand and this definitely won't help with jumping! Once you elevate his forehand, I think he will have an easier time jumping.
    Try to ride him more, rather than just sitting up there. I think that if you support him more, help him find his distances, help him stay balanced to and from the fence, he would improve lots. I would strongly advise gymnastics, just like maura said. Any horse can benefit from them, this horse in particular.
    Your boy is so gorgeous, I think you've got a great little horse on your hands :). Good luck!
         
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        08-24-2011, 12:47 PM
      #12
    Foal
    Elana, I appologize, your post came to me as you were saying he was hopeless, and that's all my old trainer ever said, was that " Your horse is hopless, he is nothing but a slaughter horse, your wasting your time money and energy, if I came to pick him out with your I would have never gotten this peice of rubbish." So really your critique was valued, I and just still sensitive about what my old trainer had said to me. She seriously almost forced me to sell him and I've been bothered about it ever since...

    And arnz, thank you very much, he is still learning and I am still learning haha its hard not ebing on a push button horse like I used too! I have to fix my self to help him like you mentioned! I still find it hard to round him, do you have and idea that could help? I have him on side reins to help gain musle and he does great but when I ride him he acts like he has never hear of collection! :P lol
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        08-24-2011, 01:12 PM
      #13
    Green Broke
    I would never suggest you sell him or that he was a "slaughter horse". He is not "hopeless" but he is not a GP Jumper either. I think he will make an OK 2'6" horse.

    That being said, read the rest of the post. Read the post by anrz and maura. Your horse (and you as the rider) need to stop jumping and get back to foundations. There is NOTHING wrong with that and no matter WHAT you do it will help you AND the horse.

    Remember this. When you ride a horse through a jumping course (and you need to not do this with your horse now) start to think how much time your horse is on the flat doing collections and extensions and turns. Now think how much time he is in the air. Yeah.. not a lot of that latter part. Lots of time in between.

    He needs to learn how to collect, extend (think of that spring I alluded to) and transistion smoothly. You need to drive him forward and hold him with a half halt so he shifts his weight to the rear. He needs to be off his forehand (and to jump he must lift his forehand over the jump first). Imagine how much EASIER it will be for him to jump if he can shift his weight to the rear and lighten his forehand between fences.

    If you get a chance watch some videos (good quality ones) of Olympic level horses going over Grand Prix fences. They really collect and extend between fences. You will see them turn.. collect.. forehand light and then before the fence extend a stride, still working with their weight off the forehand and then jump. It really IS like a spring.. but it takes a lot of time to train this.

    Your horse, whether a great jumper or not, deserves the flat training and gymnastics you have had suggested here. STOP taking him over a course and get back to basics. He is worth it and he will be ever so much better for it.
         
        08-24-2011, 01:13 PM
      #14
    Foal
    I would have to agree with the other posts. At this point in time and looking at the photos you provided, I would not say jumping is what he's meant to do. His knees are uneven (as mentioned) and he seems fairly unbalanced.

    HOWEVER I do believe that with the correct training and lots of time he could be a lower level horse. No, I don't think he'd really be in the ribbons but if he does it and you enjoy it, then what does it matter? I think you need to go back to basics with him and teach him how to use his body properly over the fences. While doing this, brush up on your skills to give him more support (as mentioned) so you can be a supportive, helpful rider for your green horse.

    Not much but just my two cents. :)
         
        08-24-2011, 01:52 PM
      #15
    Foal
    Ok thank you for the posts for far.! A new winter is coming for just flat! Thank go for indoors! Lol and no the ribbons do not matter to me! Even though he did just get champion last week in wtc :) but thanks for the posts, keep them coming. And yes there is only lower level in my area for both hunters and jumpers! The highest is 2 9 for where I show. Just average horses in my area no big names! I don't plan to seriously compete! Lol thanks to all so far!
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        08-24-2011, 01:57 PM
      #16
    Foal
    From what I have been reading, Brodieluver, you have a trainer that you work with regularly, and it is in our nature to trust our trainers. As well as seek the advice of other equine people around us. I think everyone has posted a question on here expecting a certain critique or answer, and feel a little let down when you don't get it. Its not a big deal.

    You also said you weren't doing any major showing or anything rated or recognized.... So for that purpose, I would say, He's cute as a button! I like him! What a fun color. Long legs in that canter shot, I wouldn't have said QH right away. I see it now that its been said, but whatevs. He looks fun!

    Take what the experienced trainers on here have told you and enhance your training with it. We all do "homework" when we're not with our personal trainers. If he likes jumping, the right training will get him where HE wants to be. And that's where you want him to be too!
         
        08-24-2011, 07:28 PM
      #17
    Foal
    Wancata thank you for your opinion. Yes he is a little cutie when he wants to be.

    For everyone else, here is a semi good confo shot, I couldn't fit his head in it haha



         
        08-24-2011, 09:32 PM
      #18
    Started
    How tall is he? He makes the jumps look TINY! Lol.. maybe it is because he is overjumping a bit.

    Love the color. Everyone else covered what I wanted to say.
         
        08-24-2011, 09:48 PM
      #19
    Foal
    Haha thanks he is black, bleached in those pictures, and he is only 15.3! Lol
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        08-24-2011, 10:09 PM
      #20
    Green Broke
    OK. From the confo shots I can tell you this much. He jumps hanging his knees because (as I suspected.. and as is typical of the breed) the bone from his chest to his elbow lies at too low an angle (from level). He hangs his knees because he cannot fold.. the angle is already folded.

    I can also tell you that from his neck musculature his neck is not "turned over" and shows a greater muscle on the under side (along the juglar groove) than along the crest. This changes with proper riding and in a horse that works off his hind quarters.

    Now.. to improve this there is more you can do. Break out the Caveletti and have him trot over them. They will need to be gradually raised so he must really pick his feet up over them.. this will build his abdominal muscles so he can stretch his top line and learn to get round and drive with his hind quarters when you are schooling off the caveletti on the flat.

    Do you have any nice long steep hills? Trot him up those and let him have his head so he can lower it and build the abdominal muscles while learning to lengthen his top line.

    Other than his shoulder angle, he is a nicely conformed horse (not slaughter material). He has good bone and low hocks. Might be a bit tied in behind the knee. The shoulder angle would not bother him much doing other things.. but it is the cause of his dropping his knees over fences.
         

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