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        02-28-2011, 10:42 PM
      #11
    Green Broke
    The only difference I really see is that he is reaching for the contact more then last time. His head isnt going up and down as much as it was previously.

    Your hands are a bit quieter...and you arent bumping him as much in the mouth, but the reins are longer. So you just avoided, instead of fixing. Yes, he likes a bit looser rein, but you could be a western rider almost with how much is a looped there!

    BENDING!!! You need to get him bending before you are going to be able to do much about getting him truely on the bit.
         
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        02-28-2011, 11:08 PM
      #12
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VelvetsAB    
    The only difference I really see is that he is reaching for the contact more then last time. His head isnt going up and down as much as it was previously.

    Your hands are a bit quieter...and you arent bumping him as much in the mouth, but the reins are longer. So you just avoided, instead of fixing. Yes, he likes a bit looser rein, but you could be a western rider almost with how much is a looped there!

    BENDING!!! You need to get him bending before you are going to be able to do much about getting him truely on the bit.
    I understand the bending, that's our hardest issue. He's just so distracted by stuff outside the arena that he looks there, so his head goes there too :P will take a while before he starts to focus more.

    About the reins, really? I felt like I was doing a lot better. I remember during the lesson constantly shortening my reins, but his head automatically flies up, so it gets loopy and droopy looking, and so then I drive him into the contact, and it disappears. Just gotta work on it :P
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        02-28-2011, 11:13 PM
      #13
    Green Broke
    I wanna see the videos but I'm going to see them later so I'm just going to subscribe for now and I'll check them out in a sec!
         
        03-01-2011, 12:00 AM
      #14
    Green Broke
    I'm no expert either and it's kinda hard with the slowmo in the first vid. But his head looks better than it did in the first one. Your arms could come back more, but that'll be easier when he fully gives you his head. I'm working on this too. My mare used to be pulled on a lot so she doesn't want to give me her head.
    Your foot is pointing out a bit, but I do that all the time too and it's not the biggest deal.
    Also your reins could be shortened a little and that will help with him giving you his head.
    Otherwise you guys look really nice together :)
         
        03-01-2011, 12:13 AM
      #15
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Cheyennes mom    
    I'm no expert either and it's kinda hard with the slowmo in the first vid. But his head looks better than it did in the first one. Your arms could come back more, but that'll be easier when he fully gives you his head. I'm working on this too. My mare used to be pulled on a lot so she doesn't want to give me her head.
    Your foot is pointing out a bit, but I do that all the time too and it's not the biggest deal.
    Also your reins could be shortened a little and that will help with him giving you his head.
    Otherwise you guys look really nice together :)
    Thanks! Ill work on shortening the reins!
         
        03-01-2011, 07:54 AM
      #16
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RidingTowardsGrace    
    I understand the bending, that's our hardest issue. He's just so distracted by stuff outside the arena that he looks there, so his head goes there too :P will take a while before he starts to focus more.

    About the reins, really? I felt like I was doing a lot better. I remember during the lesson constantly shortening my reins, but his head automatically flies up, so it gets loopy and droopy looking, and so then I drive him into the contact, and it disappears. Just gotta work on it :P
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    He isn't ever going to "focus" more...so you have to make him bend. You are still being a passenger instead of being a rider. Yeah, my horse sometimes gets distracted by stuff outside of the ring, but I make him bend to the inside because he is supposed to be listening to me....not gawking around.

    I am not really sure I saw you "driving him into the contact" either. You don't really have enough leg on, or enough forward momentum to make him go into the contact....and really, the reins are too long for this to happen either. He is just carrying the bit in his mouth, although he looks much happier in the most recent video, but its most likely because you arent bumping his mouth every stride as you had been previously (from the posting with your hands).
         
        03-01-2011, 09:30 PM
      #17
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RidingTowardsGrace    
    Thanks! Ill work on shortening the reins!
    don't mention it :)
         
        03-02-2011, 01:49 AM
      #18
    Foal
    I know very little...but... he looks happier to me, listening a tad more, stable and more relaxed. Still not bending enough (that I DO know as it's what I'm working on) but you look like you're having fun and that's what matters.
         
        03-02-2011, 01:07 PM
      #19
    Weanling
    First of all, thanks for posting the vids! Love seeing progress!

    Velvets brought up the exact FIRST thing I noticed in both videos, in that he's bent to the outside consistently in both videos. Bend takes a long time to understand and to grasp, but he will never be fully through/over his back until you get him going forward and bent in the right direction. I also agree that there is way too much rein there. I had the same problem when I first started - this is like a "false contact", where it looks like the horse is working on the bit/in the contact but isn't really.

    Suffice to say its coming along. He is not going to "focus by himself". This is something you have to help him through by showing him what's acceptable and what's not in an appropriate way. Next time he goes to bend to the outside because he's used to it now, continue with a forward trot, and literally bend his neck/body around a 10-15 meter circle until you feel his head actually give/drop. You need to be able to see the corner of his inside eye for you to know that he is bent the right way (among other things). The goal is to loosen up his jaw, get him chewing on the bit, and stop bracing against the inside rein.

    Persistence is key. Can't wait to see more.
         
        03-04-2011, 07:02 PM
      #20
    Weanling
    Thanks everyone! By focus I meant working more as a pair. More engaged. Instead of me just going along for the ride, I'm there to communicate with him. Ill keep posting videos of our progress when I can!
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