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    04-22-2013, 10:38 PM
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Green Broke
Talking We have been working hard!

Now I know it's been awhile.
I got these from a video I shot today. The video is really long, and to me annoying to watch as I only got views of one main spot of the arena.

So I'll be posting the photos, those who want the video just ask and I'll post it.

The weather this week, starting today is bavkto sunny and warm!

Compared to the last couple months we have made huge strides forward in the last few weeks.

Last few rides I have cracked down on "do what ask NOW" not in the next two strides...

Our trantitions have really improved as I am staying soft but really keeping that outside contact and bumping him up with the inside leg. We have gotten the firm buy soft down and as soon as his takes that first step up into trot correctly I make sure I soften my body as much as I can. I have been really good about finding my firm outside contact and being able to keep it and now move on right away to foccusing on other things.


Here I think I need to stretch downinmy leg and heel more. Push my shoulders back more....

Working on our stretchy trot...but trying to keep him from falling on the forehand:



Just liked this photos...

Straight!!



Trying Not to ask to much for a collection as he breaks at the poll...


Asking for a stretchy trot across the diagonal


Maybe too much inside rein....really really really have been working on this and is so frustrating.

That's all unless some of you want the video.
Hope you see improvement!!!
Thanks in advance!
     
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    04-23-2013, 12:43 AM
  #2
Green Broke
No critiques yet, maybe cause of so much improvement!?
Here is the video since lack of responses lol

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    04-23-2013, 01:14 AM
  #3
Trained
In the canter you need to stretch your leg down and really focus on riding the stride with your seat - almost think about being a half beat faster with your seat to push him up in front of you.
As well, your shoulders don't need to come back - they need to be pressed down. Yoga postures (down dog especially) and barbell squats require the same engagement of the lats and core that you need to have to push your shoulders down. Then your elbows will be able to have bend while your hands continue to push forward and down.
After that, your position looks good for the level.

To get the horse working more towards collection you don't pull more, shorten your reins and ride more. Think about holding a whip with the handle in your left hand (representing th haunches of the horse) and the lash (the head) in your right. If you push your right hand towards your left, the whip curls BTV. If you push the left hand towards the right, the frame is shortened, but still uphill. This is the visualization for collection - ride the hindlegs to the hands.
To start closing the holes to get the horse collected - start with turns on the forehand (with forward movement), spirals in and out (with trot canter transitions sprinkled in), canter leg yield both ways, left and right, on both leads (allow him to fall out or go straight if he can't hold it - eventually he will get stronger), and of course accurate and precise transitions to your specifications. Ride on your line - don't allow him to deviate from the line you dictate. And add in more lateral work - SI and travers to begin. Keep the haunches and forehand, respectively, tracking straight forward and use the outside leg to create bend - ride from your outside aids up to the waiting inside leg - don't push the horse over the outside shoulder with your inside leg.

Good luck! If you need any specific exercises let me know.
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    04-23-2013, 01:23 AM
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Sam,

I watched some of the video, not all. I can give some feedback, (a little) but it isn't to say I could do better myself, as I can not.

The first thing I saw was when you were starting your first depart from standing to , I think, trotting. Ollie was standing, flexed and all, but was really leaning forward, HARD. He was just waiting for you to let him go. If you'd let go the rein, he'd have fallen hard on his nose.
YOu were using the rein to make him soft before applying the "go!" cue (and getting a smart response, as you mentioned before). But, allowing him to stand like that, leaning on the reain hard is a way of building in heaviness . I would start by never allowing him to stand so heavily leaning on your rein. If you have to put that much pressure on to meet his "lean" then you need to stay there, address that and get him to come off the bit, and NOT by sucking under and behind it. By lifting his whole neck up , from the base, and rocking back on to his hind.

I'd work on getting him to stop so soft that he thinks that maybe you will ask for a back up. Then, do ask for that, sometimes, then mix it up, becuase if he rocks back just a wee bit on to his hinds, then he's in essense ready to leap forward, too.


Also, you tend to come behind the vertical quite a lot. It's a style of riding that is very commonly promoted. The result, however, can be that the hrose feels your seatbones digging hard into his back, and if you are overly rotated, the seatbones will even point forward, not straight down . That has a suppressing action on the horse. I see Ollie swishing his tail sometimes and wonder if there is too much direct pushing down into his back because you might be leaning too far back.

Just impressions, and like I said, I cannot do better, nor am I any kind of dressage instructor. Take them for what they are worth . . Free!
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    04-23-2013, 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
In the canter you need to stretch your leg down and really focus on riding the stride with your seat - almost think about being a half beat faster with your seat to push him up in front of you.
As well, your shoulders don't need to come back - they need to be pressed down. Yoga postures (down dog especially) and barbell squats require the same engagement of the lats and core that you need to have to push your shoulders down. Then your elbows will be able to have bend while your hands continue to push forward and down.
After that, your position looks good for the level.

To get the horse working more towards collection you don't pull more, shorten your reins and ride more. Think about holding a whip with the handle in your left hand (representing th haunches of the horse) and the lash (the head) in your right. If you push your right hand towards your left, the whip curls BTV. If you push the left hand towards the right, the frame is shortened, but still uphill. This is the visualization for collection - ride the hindlegs to the hands.
To start closing the holes to get the horse collected - start with turns on the forehand (with forward movement), spirals in and out (with trot canter transitions sprinkled in), canter leg yield both ways, left and right, on both leads (allow him to fall out or go straight if he can't hold it - eventually he will get stronger), and of course accurate and precise transitions to your specifications. Ride on your line - don't allow him to deviate from the line you dictate. And add in more lateral work - SI and travers to begin. Keep the haunches and forehand, respectively, tracking straight forward and use the outside leg to create bend - ride from your outside aids up to the waiting inside leg - don't push the horse over the outside shoulder with your inside leg.

Good luck! If you need any specific exercises let me know.
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Now there's some great advice! That's a lot to digest.
     
    04-23-2013, 01:36 AM
  #6
Trained
I disagree with suggesting the rider is leaning backwards. I dos not watch the videos but the pictures indicate a rider who is using her back to remain upright and correctly vertical. Leaning forward weakens the position and encourages the rider to pull.

As well to fix any heaviness issues - one should do as I suggested - ride harder to get the horse infront IE riding back to front as opposed to pulling the horse behind the rider, as tiny suggested - this is backward riding.
As well we want a strong, but elastic contact, not a wavering, dangling contact. The horse should put a deal of pressure into the contact in order to bridge the back upwards - this is the connection of energy required for collection. True collection. Not a front to back collection.
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    04-23-2013, 01:37 AM
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Green Broke
Wow, thank you Anebel!

Agreed that I need to stretch my legs down, keep my hips open... I think it's a mind over matter...mind over muscle? Deal for me at this point. Once I do stretch my legs down, wrap them around him I feel an immediate difference.
Just a few weeks ago was he going mock 10 for the first few minutes in the canter so he's really progressing. He's so much straighter, softer and listing 15x more then before. We just got his leads....I started riding to much with my outside rein only and not fully vomiting to the trantition so we had lots of issues! Now I'm riding it much better and getting them when I ask the first time. Not only that but I feel he's trying to stay more engaged in the trantitions... Not hallowing out and tensing up. I know the video didn't show that much so hoping to get more of that next time!

Another big step up for him...and I suppose this means I am riding him better as well as he has more confidence in himself and trust in me?....I have him more engaged, with me, relaxed and thinking along the long sides. Before it was just our circles but something changed in the lady week or so....he's with me. Really trying. I'm just so pleased.

Now as for your explanation of the whip via collection you lost me...completely somehow lol!

I'm needing to really really crack down on our leg yields. So not together when it comes to those! I think I'm intimidated by them...have no clue why lol

Spirals for canter-transitions in with them.....can you explain further into what I need to be looking for? Feeling? Asking for? What I really don't want?
I have a feeling I will get ally of breaks into trot when I first try this exercise cause he will be pretty unsure at first....

With the clinician I ride with in the summer....he comes back first week in June....we do shoulder fore.
Now I need to go back and work on this, I seem to tight my whole lower body when I do this...completely not helpful!

Hoping to grab a friend later this week or this weekend to video me!
Thanks again so much! I really feel he is telling me he's ready to be pushed further, harder as he has opened up his brain to more and is truly enjoying our rides!
     
    04-23-2013, 01:51 AM
  #8
Green Broke
Tiny-
Thank you!!
Agreed on our halts...and him leaning! One readin why I videoed myself..I could really feel it in that first one...

Today I figured out what I need to do with my body as well as my aids to get a better ACTIVE trantion into our halts so I'll be very interested to talk to my trainer tomorrow and play around with it to see what comes of it.

Wound up putting slot more weight in me seat to feet...no bracing against the dash bored but really applying the weight and thought halt...now I just need to add leg, keep hips open, tap him up into it with my whip if needed to keep the hind end activated through the whole trantion... That's my hope at least. If that sounds wrong or anything please... Someone say so! Lol

As for coming out of our trantions that's also been a huge stride or two forward for us, no pun intended lol
But before he would be more likely to fall apart, I'd tense up, loose ficusby then it was too late...

Now I am really thinking it through step by step. Really using my leg and relase of my inside rein at the right moments. He's such a we give horse! So funny to think iv been riding home for almost two solid years and just now making the "light bulb" realizatations of coming out of the trantions lol something I am happy about and laughing about too!
     
    04-23-2013, 10:20 AM
  #9
Started
I think she is a bit behind vertical, too, and it is clear in the photo she titled just like this photo. The outside of the pic IS vertical.

Nancy
     
    04-23-2013, 03:20 PM
  #10
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by Klassic Superstar    
Wow, thank you Anebel!

Agreed that I need to stretch my legs down, keep my hips open... I think it's a mind over matter...mind over muscle? Deal for me at this point. Once I do stretch my legs down, wrap them around him I feel an immediate difference.
Just a few weeks ago was he going mock 10 for the first few minutes in the canter so he's really progressing. He's so much straighter, softer and listing 15x more then before. We just got his leads....I started riding to much with my outside rein only and not fully vomiting to the trantition so we had lots of issues! Now I'm riding it much better and getting them when I ask the first time. Not only that but I feel he's trying to stay more engaged in the trantitions... Not hallowing out and tensing up. I know the video didn't show that much so hoping to get more of that next time!

Another big step up for him...and I suppose this means I am riding him better as well as he has more confidence in himself and trust in me?....I have him more engaged, with me, relaxed and thinking along the long sides. Before it was just our circles but something changed in the lady week or so....he's with me. Really trying. I'm just so pleased.

Now as for your explanation of the whip via collection you lost me...completely somehow lol!

I'm needing to really really crack down on our leg yields. So not together when it comes to those! I think I'm intimidated by them...have no clue why lol

Spirals for canter-transitions in with them.....can you explain further into what I need to be looking for? Feeling? Asking for? What I really don't want?
I have a feeling I will get ally of breaks into trot when I first try this exercise cause he will be pretty unsure at first....

With the clinician I ride with in the summer....he comes back first week in June....we do shoulder fore.
Now I need to go back and work on this, I seem to tight my whole lower body when I do this...completely not helpful!

Hoping to grab a friend later this week or this weekend to video me!
Thanks again so much! I really feel he is telling me he's ready to be pushed further, harder as he has opened up his brain to more and is truly enjoying our rides!

Ok I am finally on a computer and watched a bit of the video. First of all, the video shows a rider using her seat to ride the horse. This is a concept foreign to most North Americans who are used to riding on their crotches and having the sun shine out of their tushies and pulling on the face to control the horse. If you don't like this deep dressage seat, there is a H/J forum that you are free to visit.

In the halt - that is not the correct exercise for the horse. He will become more supple with lateral work, not with pulling on his face in the halt. A better exercise for him (and you) is going to be to halt, rest your hands on the withers and ride him up to the bridle by taking one step and halting, and take one step and halt, and one step and halt. Until you have individual control over each leg and can position the hind legs in the halt, directly under you. Only do a few steps at a time to begin so as not to overface him.

To break down the leg yield and make it more manageable, that is why we start with a turn on the forehand. The TOF is the same exercise as I just described in the previous paragraph, except now you are asking for his haunches to move sideways. One step at a time, eventually when he is stronger, you can ask for a fluid TOF, but ask only now for a few steps, one at a time so you don't overface him.
Then, take the exercise to a spiral in and out. In a trot, come to a 12m circle, and yield out to a 20m circle. Then add the canter transitions. There are two places to put the transitions (and a few variations of the exercise). First is to trot onto the 12m circle, yield to the 20m circle and as soon as you hit the 20m circle line, ask for a canter. Then trot and repeat. The second way is to start on a 15 m circle, canter, then yield out and trot. He will probably begin by falling out of the trot almost immediately, but eventually you will be able to keep him cantering the whole way out (it might take you a few circles to yield the whole way out at first). Then one variation to the exercise is to do the 12-20m circle in trot, ask for the canter on the 20m circle and then head across the diagonal in a yield in the same lead - this is harder than the other yield. Again, he will start by trotting almost immediately, but eventually will get strong enough to do more of the diagonal.
Once you have the spiral going well, then add leg yields on the straight away in trot. Start from the q-line to the wall, and pick an end point and ride to it. Don't let him waver from your line, even in the LY. Eventually graduate to c-line to wall LYs and make them steeper. Once this is good, adding more lateral work will be beneficial.

When working with a clinician, try to integrate what they work on into your program. Work on the SF and improve it so when he comes again, you can continue on and aren't paying the big $$ for the same lesson every time. Things only get better with practice.

Good luck!
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