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post #21 of 52 Old 05-01-2013, 10:13 PM
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That's just about how she traveled too, that's why I chose that picture LOL.

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People have pretty much covered what I was going to say....there's a lot to work on. I will say though.....ditch that crop! This horse definitely has a motor and you DO NOT need that crop.
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People have pretty much covered what I was going to say....there's a lot to work on. I will say though.....ditch that crop! This horse definitely has a motor and you DO NOT need that crop.
I don't alway use it but I do always have it. Once we to a few circles of cantering and lots of trotting, she does need for.... motivation... ;)

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i don't alway use it but I do always have it. Once we to a few circles of cantering and lots of trotting, she does need for.... motivation... ;)

Your legs need to be your motivation....period....especially western. DITCH THE CROP! That buck she gave you was because you USED the crop instead of your legs to ask her to transition. Sorry, but if you truly want to ride western...what I saw in the vids is not the way to start.
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ok, ok I will admit I used to much crop when she bucked, but what you don't see is that she was also prancing instead of walking before the video (meaning for her that she has energy and she IS got to try stuff like that) I trot her when she is "ready" to canter and she cuts all the testing and relaxes, but some times she will do things like that even when she has calmed down. What you don't see is that when she is tired she will not respond to kicking all the time, if you tap her with the crop at that point she does listen. Just because you ride western doesnt mean you can't use a crop :/

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I don't think a lack of go is the problem here. I captured the picture below, and will delete it in a couple of weeks, but here is where I suspect the problem with the 'go' is:



There is enough stiffness in the leg and back that you cannot move with your horse. A chair seat can work, but only if you flex a bunch with the lower back and hip. If you brace at all, then that position results in you hammering the horse's loins. And the horse responds by saying, "Why should I shift gears if I'm going to get punished for it?" At least, that is how my horses respond...don't ask me how I know!

The second problem is your reins are saying slow, so what is it you really want him to do - go slower, or faster? You can loosen the reins and still steer with them. It might be tight on one side, but tight on both sides tells most horses to slow down. It doesn't seem fair to use a crop on a horse when you are already pulling on the reins.

I got the same impression from the "Posting at the trot in English" video. If I wanted Mia to throw me, that would be a good combo - ask her to go faster while keeping tension in the reins. And if I used a crop (I actually use a leather rein strap on the very rare times Mia has a broken 'go-er'...usually it is her 'whoa-er' that is broke)...she'd buck, and buck hard.

Might be good to work on turns and stops and transitions and balance at a walk and trot. I think your horse has too much food on the plate to digest it all well.

Just my thoughts. I'm a nobody rider, so just FWIW...
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You call it prancing...I call it jigging...and it's annoying. I have a mare who was terrible when I first got her (she came with a lot of issues). If I held onto her it only made it worse. If she got tense, I got tense, and she got tenser. We ended up doing a lot of serpintines and circles and I had to learn to relax...shoulders, arms, back, legs. And we walked, walked, walked. I cannot tell you how much I learned from educating myself so I could educate my horse. Sitting down in the saddle and relaxing certainly helped.
End of what I have to say. You have some very good advice here from those who know what they are talking about. : )
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Your legs need to be your motivation....period....especially western. DITCH THE CROP! Sorry, but if you truly want to ride western...
Its not wrong to use a crop in western, its not justfor English.. so I guess since spurs are a western cowboy thing you can't use them in English... -__-
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Its not wrong to use a crop in western, its not justfor English.. so I guess since spurs are a western cowboy thing you can't use them in English... -__-
Properly used spurs can be used in any discipline. What is being said about the crop is that if you use your leg properly, you won't need it. The crop is what I call a handicap.
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