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    07-13-2008, 04:02 AM
Green Broke
I thought WP was steering away from the 4 beat lope and super low headset(????) no????

He's a super cute horse, but i'd prefer one with a more true lope :)

Around here, i'd list him for 8,000 to 10,000
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    07-13-2008, 05:00 PM
Green Broke
I agree with what everyone else said... anywhere from 7.5K-10K depending on how long you want to keep him and how the market is doing in your own particular region
    07-14-2008, 08:00 PM
Im pretty new at this, but it looks like he is pulling himself with his front end just a tad. It is either that or he isn't reaching under himself in the back end or lifting his shoulders a little more. I had a pleasure horse that was bred for reining/cutting/working cow horse and had to do a lot of exercises to get her to pick up her shoulders and drive more. Im not too experienced though, I only have 5 months in the show pen and training.
    07-14-2008, 08:32 PM
Dude, I don't know anything about Western Pleasure...so I don't know what that horse is doing, although it looks a bit difficult to master...

Though, that typical "peanut roller" WP movement is hard for me to watch
Why do you think it's hard to watch? It looked uncomfortable for the horse to maintain that gate IMO, but, like I said, I don't know SQUAT about western pleasure...
    07-14-2008, 09:29 PM
He's a pretty horse, but he seems to be having trouble loping at that 4-beat gait. My friend shows WP and she tells me that the 4 beat lope gets you disqualified, or really makes your points go down. At least that's what it's like where I live.
    07-14-2008, 10:29 PM
Sorry kiddies, just because he's slow doesn't mean he's 4-beating.
But he IS scrambling--ie, there is no moment of suspension. You need to give him just a tad more forward motion, and rein. His head is sucked back and a little too low if he wants to go anywhere higher then local showing; they're starting to disqualify for ears below wither level. Besides, when their head is behind the vertical, it makes them look intimidated--a western pleasure horse should have it's head, IDEALLY, a little ABOVE the vertical. (check out the rule book)
Once you get his topline flat instead of running downhill and you give him just a little more push with your leg, I'd say he'll be a serious competitor--as his neck is right now, he cannot lift his forehand. If his breeding isn't stellar, get a WP ROM and you can sell him for 10k easy.
Not bad, but there are always things to work on.
    07-15-2008, 02:18 AM
I would get a trainer, or a professional Equine Apprasial company / person to evaluate his actual cost.

Its hard for me to judge his price, cause I just honestly can't stand peanut rollers. Sorry, its just something I personally don't like to see. Horses just seem so unatural. That aside, and I know you werent asking for that, I think investing in either or both of the above would save you alot of headaches. Then taking the time and money to advertise him well, I am sure you would get a nice price on him.
    07-16-2008, 07:56 PM
I can't really judge his price from just a video, but I'll tell you what I see at the lope. To me, he looks artificial. While he is still pretty much 3-beats, look at where his inside hind leg is, especially his hock in relation to his hip. It never really goes up underneath himself, and he gets really far behind. His head set looks forced, like he is being made to keep it there. It needs to be more level, with his face slightly in front of the vertical. The other thing is that he needs more forward momentum. Yes, WP horses are supossed to be slow, but remember that they are now asking for "a lope with forward momentum," and this horse really doesn't have much. Moving him forward a bit, and letting his head come up and out will help with elevating his shoulders, and letting him reach forward with his front leg. I would also work on really controlling his hips, making sure you can push them to the inside, at both the walk and lope. Then spend some time hand-galloping him; it won't ruin him, it will actually help him learn how to correctly use his body. Feel how he drives from behind while extending that lope out, and then when you slow him back down try to keep that same drive from behind. It will take a lot of outside leg to drive him up and to keep him there, but I think he can do it. And it will help him tremendously. He's a cute horse with a lot of potential, and I can see how he would be competitive at open shows, especially since he seems so broke, but his lope won't work at the larger QH shows. With some work I think it can, but not how it is right now. And I'm not trying to be harsh, but it's obvious you've put a lot of time into him, and I want to give you an honest answer, so you can keep on improving with him. Best of luck!!
    07-16-2008, 07:59 PM
Oh, and the other tip I would have is to sit up, and look up, and try to keep your body still. How you (or whoever is riding him), is making him look more downhill in his movement than he really is, and the body movement is also making him look rougher than I think he really is. Sitting up and looking up will really help how you present him.
    03-08-2009, 11:27 PM
He is not loping, he is Trantering! And in the AQHA world they will not place you in a class with that lope, Move him up more and get some rythm! Trust me I had that same problem. Don't move him up to where he's super fast, just so that he looks like he's loping and he shows forward movement. In florida I would list him as $ 6, 500 maybe $7,000, that's just with the market

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