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post #21 of 32 Old 02-13-2011, 11:31 AM
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There is a difference between foals romping in a paddock on their own and forced exercise. This is forced exercise. There are reasons most responsible vets do not recommend any forced exercise, including lunging, before two years of age and it has to do with the growth plates in the ankle and knee being soft and highly suspectible to damage.

The reason TBs trained for the track have such a high incidence of bone chips and related joint problems is exactly that - forced exercise before the growth plates close.

And again, there is absolutely no good reason for anyone to jump a foal - none - other than to post what they think is a cute video. The risk/benefit equation just doesn't work for me on this one.

For those of you who believe this is not that bad or potentially dangerous, please find a vet or other experienced medical professional to back up that opinion.
Great post. Agreed.
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post #22 of 32 Old 02-13-2011, 04:15 PM
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The majority of foals will jump over whatever their Mum does and not understand the damage they could cause themselves. I agree (however not in such an extreme manner) with JustDressageIt. She's nothing special, yet!
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your foal definitely has a bright future in jumping!!!
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post #24 of 32 Old 02-14-2011, 01:50 PM
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If you don't want to risk damage. Then might as well keep the foal in a stall for it's whole life and never let it do anything.

I don't think anything is wrong with letting a foal jump a little. People do it a lot. It's really common, every foal that free jumps doesn't have damage.
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Just because it is common and people do it a lot does not make it good or right. A lot of people text while driving or speed... and (at least where I live) neither is good.

I used to say to my Mom when I wanted to do something, "but MOOoooommmmmm, EVERYONE is doing it." Her curt reply was, "YOU are NOT everyone."

How a foal moves and looks may give some indication of what the foal will move like and look like as an adult, but nothing is written in stone. I have seem the lovliest baby horse turn into something much less desirable. Jumping a foal.. or any horse under the age of 4.. is, IMO, trouble.

Not good for joints. Not good for bones. Not good if the foal mis-steps and has a wreck as it puts in that little sponge like mind that jumping can = getting or being hurt.

WHY, for heaven's sake, do it? A little more time trimming the weeds in that paddock and sprucing up the fences would be far more beneficial than making a Video of a baby jumping.

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your foal definitely has a bright future in jumping!!!
Not if she keeps jumping him as a foal! And really.. foals change hugely.. so maybe NOT.

Back in the dinosaur days of training when NO one did Dressage.. when it was considered "boring" I was doing dressage. I liked it. And while I did dressage I saw a LOT of horses being jumped as 2 and 3 year olds.. who were lamed and useless by the age of 10. Everything was "jump jump jump" and I would say.. "but most of the time on course the horse is on the flat! Don't you want to get that part right first?" I was just a 15 year old kid so I was dismissed.

I think today there is more interest in preserving a horse's soundness (mental and physical) and a lot more interest in getting a horse balanced and ready to jump before jumping him.

I saw the title of this post and I was somewhat taken aback. I never heard of anyone jumping a foal intentionally.

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I saw the title of this post and I was somewhat taken aback. I never heard of anyone jumping a foal intentionally.
Agreed.

I don't want to go into the dangers as I think that others have covered those points accurately and comprehensively.

Just one other thing to consider: How well a foal jumps is no indication of how it will jump as a fully grown and matured horse. I would venture to say that many foals have deer-like jumping abilities for the very simple fact that they are all leg, have very little body mass and their bones are lighter and not as dense. This all comes with maturity.

Big long legs and small body mass make for an animal with jumping capability. Foals do not stay this way for long.

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Just because it is common and people do it a lot does not make it good or right. A lot of people text while driving or speed... and (at least where I live) neither is good.

I used to say to my Mom when I wanted to do something, "but MOOoooommmmmm, EVERYONE is doing it." Her curt reply was, "YOU are NOT everyone."

How a foal moves and looks may give some indication of what the foal will move like and look like as an adult, but nothing is written in stone. I have seem the lovliest baby horse turn into something much less desirable. Jumping a foal.. or any horse under the age of 4.. is, IMO, trouble.

Not good for joints. Not good for bones. Not good if the foal mis-steps and has a wreck as it puts in that little sponge like mind that jumping can = getting or being hurt.

WHY, for heaven's sake, do it? A little more time trimming the weeds in that paddock and sprucing up the fences would be far more beneficial than making a Video of a baby jumping.



Not if she keeps jumping him as a foal! And really.. foals change hugely.. so maybe NOT.

Back in the dinosaur days of training when NO one did Dressage.. when it was considered "boring" I was doing dressage. I liked it. And while I did dressage I saw a LOT of horses being jumped as 2 and 3 year olds.. who were lamed and useless by the age of 10. Everything was "jump jump jump" and I would say.. "but most of the time on course the horse is on the flat! Don't you want to get that part right first?" I was just a 15 year old kid so I was dismissed.

I think today there is more interest in preserving a horse's soundness (mental and physical) and a lot more interest in getting a horse balanced and ready to jump before jumping him.

I saw the title of this post and I was somewhat taken aback. I never heard of anyone jumping a foal intentionally.

Relax, If you think it's wrong, then fine, don't do it. In the OP it asked for the foals jumping ability. Not if you thought it was right or wrong.

If you don't feel like jumping a foal over a small cross rail is OK...then leave the thread and move on to something else.

I think everyone gets it now...some people think its wrong/abuse, or whatever...others don't. If you want to preach, or rant about how it will hurt the foal, then start your own thread about it.
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If you want to preach, or rant about how it will hurt the foal, then start your own thread about it.
Posting photos and videos on a public will always invite both positive and negative comments. If the OP was not prepared for that, she should not have posted on a public BB, particularly in the Critique section.

Also, I am a moderator on this forum. If you feel so strongly about how the board should be managed, please start a thread in the "Talk to the Team" section. Otherwise, please refrain from telling other members how and where to post.

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Holy crap! That's going to be a nice jumper some day!
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I have to agree with others that it is not a good idea. Heck I have a horse which raced, and I am only just starting to jump him this year at age 6.

It's just not worth the risk of injury.
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post #30 of 32 Old 02-14-2011, 04:23 PM
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That video is not going to tell you how well that foal will jump as a grown horse. If I was looking for a prospect and say this I would run the other way. I would not take the risk.

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