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    02-25-2011, 07:44 PM
I'd guess by the clarifying questions that the OP asked, that they did NOT post this to bash it...I think they want to learn from it. I'm sure there's a reason the Mods approved it so it wouldn't be nice of us to simply bash the OP. It's always best not to jump to conclusions ;)

Anyway--I agree that the horse looks uncomfortable/anxious...something just isn't right there. She seems to be throwing her head up, the video is not clear enough to tell if that is rider error or not. What I do see of the rider is that she is slightly off-balance, leaning her upper body over too far backward, which pulls her legs forward. Her hands seemed to be flopping too, but that could directly result from her butt bouncing. It does look to be uncomfortable, I would think they could go back to the basics a little bit and really get the balance and get the horse to round up instead of hollowing out. When a horse's head is up like that it will make them more bouncy (I know...my mare does it)
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    02-25-2011, 07:50 PM
Hmmmm....how is riding "in this way" putting the horse at risk for lameness? It's a straight-line track of movement for a reason. Any sort of turns are right out. So is running. But she has to be gotten back in shape to strengthen and re-order her tendon fibers, as per vet's orders. And nothing is better for that than long-trotting. The only problem is that instead of trotting, she tries to slip into a gait (something she's done her whole life, long before the injury).

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    02-25-2011, 07:51 PM
From the YouTube description:

"OK, so that's a bit of an exaggeration. But this girl can TROT. No, I don't normally ride her like this. I usually post the trot and hold her in some form of frame. But this is good exercise, and once in a while it's fun to let her kick out. She wasn't even showing off for the camera, as sometimes she can rock it much harder than this. Check out that flailing pastern action.

"Bones" is a 1D barrel horse in her day job, and she can be a bit high strung and frankly "crazy," despite a good foundation in riding training. Her speed in the arena makes up for her nuttiness in the pasture, though I do expect respect from her and, despite appearances, always have complete control. She's had quite the saga with repeated soundness issues (torn tendons and ligaments) in the past, and is now hopefully getting back in shape to start barrel racing again in the spring. View my other videos for her old barrel runs and rehabilitation journey."

You asked for an opinion, so here's mine: Grow up! This isn't a video to boast about.
    02-25-2011, 07:54 PM
Bsms where are you getting that she is boasting? I'm not seeing that.
    02-25-2011, 07:56 PM
bsms: we all get older at the same rate, we can't just "grow up"
Seriously, though...bashing someone doesn't do any good, constructive criticism, and offering a solution to the problem however could completely change things around. I'm not trying to start an argument, but I don't think one should "bash" someone when they could provide a learning experience instead. Just something to think about, take it or leave it.
    02-25-2011, 08:00 PM
Well, the horse is unsteady in the gate, the martingale is useless, the neck has no crest and from looking at this video I would say that is primarily because of the rider pounding on his back and having very uneducated hands.
    02-25-2011, 08:17 PM
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I see a frustrated horse who wants to canter but is being held back. In some spots her hind in moves into a canter while her front end stays in a trot.

I don't think that the rider is doing this horse much good.
    02-25-2011, 08:20 PM
I think the YouTube description makes it obvious the OP thinks this is admirable behavior from the horse and rider. I think it is very obvious it is not. I don't know how anyone can watch the horse and think the horse is content with being ridden like this.

I don't think the OP needs to be told she is leaning back, or bouncing, or pulling on the reins. I think this post:

Originally Posted by bubba13    
So you think the "flopping" is hurting the horse's back? Do you think its mouth is hurt from the bit? What about the horse's gait?
indicates we're supposed to admire the horse's gait.

Also, the YouTube has this comment from the person who posted it on YouTube:

"Look, I appreciate your concern, but wish you would watch a little closer and read the video description before commenting. There's no abuse, no pain/harm to the horse, and only a few minutes of goofing-off bad riding to this. The point? Fun for the rider and horse, and good exercise."

Sorry, but I'm not sympathetic. I see bad riding making a horse unhappy, and critiquing the leaning back won't help. The riding seems to be intentional, with no regard for the horse's response other than "sometimes she can rock it much harder than this. Check out that flailing pastern action."

The title of the thread is, "What do you think of this horse and rider?"

I think the horse is unhappy and the rider is causing it.
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    02-25-2011, 09:02 PM
Originally Posted by Lonestar22    
I see a frustrated horse who wants to canter but is being held back. In some spots her hind in moves into a canter while her front end stays in a trot.

I don't think that the rider is doing this horse much good.
That's what I see too. The horse doesn't know what is wanted. If someone wants to ride like that then get a gaited horse, not a QH
    02-25-2011, 09:49 PM
Like I said, take it or leave it. All I'm saying is that ripping someone apart puts them on the defense, and doesn't give them any opportunity to seek advice or ask questions. It takes a lot of courage to post something publicly for criticism, and none of us start out as perfect riders right? I admire my horse, too and would love to hear how her gaits are viewed by others. I'm not saying this poster or the rider are awesome or correct on all counts, I'm just suggesting we be considerate.

I don't think of this as "behavior"...she's not a professional rider behaving badly, it's just a lack of experience and need of advice. I digress, but better someone to ask for help and right the situation, than be chased off and make things up by their own devices, yes?

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