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        03-25-2008, 12:05 PM
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    what do you think now?

    I got some better and collected pictures of my horse, Sonny. No videos, sadly, due to there was another lady in the arena with us and I don't think she'd appreciate us getting her on film.
    These pictures are mainly to see what you guys think of him when he is collected. There will be a few of him without collection, and others with it.

    Please note that my friend is the one riding him, not me. We tried getting some of me doing it, but all the pictures where blurry











    I did realize that he does over reach occasionally while trotting, so that is more than likely the reason he isn't reaching really far anymore. I am going to keep bell boots on him when I work him, for both riding and lunging. And hopefully, if the over reaching is the culprit (sp?) then it should help in possibly a week to a months time. If it still continues to happen when I think it should go away, I'll have a different vet (a different one than the one I used for Sonny's pre-purchase) and have him inspect his legs and do flexation tests on him again.

    I guess there was really only two pictures where he's collected, and none where very good...but I'm sure you guys should be able to see a different and such.

    And one cute picture for the fun of it


    Thanks everyone in advance!
         
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        03-26-2008, 04:38 AM
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    Weanling
    He seams like he's getting kinda bunches up you need to teach him to go long and low to come into the bit right now his head is colllected but his back isnt rounded
         
        03-26-2008, 10:11 AM
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    Originally Posted by arastangrider
    he seams like he's getting kinda bunches up you need to teach him to go long and low to come into the bit right now his head is colllected but his back isnt rounded
    ?? How do I do that?
         
        03-26-2008, 09:03 PM
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    Weanling
    Hope these help


    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1193948AAE6nqc

    http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com...rk-178826.html
         
        03-26-2008, 11:06 PM
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    I'm getting it a little bit, but not entirely understanding it. I'll talk to my trainer also and see what pointers she can give me. All the horses that are collected (whether professional dressage horses or random lesson horses) they are "hallowed" on the back.

    Do you want them not to be hallow? I've always understood that as long as the head is flexed at the right angle that they are engaging their hindquarters, in which case, making them collected
         
        03-28-2008, 02:51 PM
      #6
    Green Broke
    This has nothing to do what you guys are talking about, this is just what I see. Your horse is working off its forehand way too much. He is too bunched up, behind the vertical.
         
        03-28-2008, 03:56 PM
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    Your horse moves off his forehand, it seems as if he wants to go faster than your friend is allowing him. I think next time you take pictures you need to have your friend take pictures of you riding him. His strides seem to be more elongated but not much.
         
        03-28-2008, 11:19 PM
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    Originally Posted by .Delete.
    This has nothing to do what you guys are talking about, this is just what I see. Your horse is working off its forehand way too much. He is too bunched up, behind the vertical.
    behind the vertical? My trainer was there that day for a while, and said that he looked good.
    He still is unsure of what he's supposed to do while he's collected.
    He was fully trained as a western/trail horse...he's used to having his head, and doing really whatever he wants with his body.
    So I'm retraining him in English, it's going slowly, but he has made great progress from how he used to be.

    He does still move off the forehand, but we are working on that...just taking it slow for both our sakes.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Harless rides horses
    Your horse moves off his forehand, it seems as if he wants to go faster than your friend is allowing him. I think next time you take pictures you need to have your friend take pictures of you riding him. His strides seem to be more elongated but not much.
    My friend was letting him go at the spead he wanted, but just asked for collection. Occasionally she'd make him go faster than he'd originally go, or slower...but I can't remember at which time I took the photos at.

    I will have some pictures of me riding him...like I said (at least I think I said) I did have pictures of me taken on him, but they were really blurry so I deleted them from my computer.

    I want his strides elongated, right?
         
        03-29-2008, 04:21 AM
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    Yearling
    No offense... but you do know that collection isn't just a horse's head being on the vertical... right? You can't really 'just work on collection' and not on impulsion, or speed.
         
        03-29-2008, 05:01 AM
      #10
    Yearling
    Okay...I am wondering if your trainer is clear on all of the elements of collection? I am not the best to explain it...I can feel it, see it, and slightly describe it, but there are others on here who might be able to give you a very clear explanation.

    One of the things that I have learned is that when starting out in working toward collection...getting the head on vertical is NOT the major focus.

    You really have to get the horse moving with steady/balanced impulsion (impulsion being basically focused and controlled drive, not just all out speed). Your horse should be driving from behind, his back should be slightly rounded, he should feel light and very maneuverable on the forehand, you should feel like you are riding just ever so slightly uphill.

    Your horse does have to learn to be soft and supple on the bit to achieve this. One way to get his body into a collected frame is to (once he is soft on the bit) keep a light contact, or ride doing half halts, and while doing so use your legs and seat to drive his body forward. Imagine that you have faced him into a wall and then someone takes his bum and pushes the back legs/hips forward into a powerful position while shortening the overall length of the horse just a bit (varies depending on what you are doing). This would cause his back to round, and his front to become lighter. The front feet being lighter will help him be able to more quickly and accurately perform various maneuvers. Depending on your horse, your legs may have to work very hard to achieve the drive needed to create this... my horse has very low natural impulsion, so I am constantly driving with my seat and legs when I want performance with effort. :)

    When you have the body, you can then worry about finishing off the head. That is not to say that your horse should not take a steady soft contact willingly. You need him to accept your contact in order to drive his back end into it. Otherwise you will have a horse with a bent head whose body is sort of just running through the bit when drive is added. In the pictures, that is more of what appears to be going on.

    Sorry to sound like a broken record, but the serpentines video exercise I posted is great for softening to bit and for the horse learning balance, rhythm, and self carriage. When you put all of those together, you basically have a horse that is collected. http://www.horseforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=7552

    I learned it for the purposes of reining, but the premise behind it will carry over to any discipline. It is a John/Josh Lyons method that was taught to me, that I am just a big fan of.

    Other good activities for working on collection are half halts, spirals, and circles (done correctly). Also, I think that hills and low jumps can be helpful because they strengthen the hind and give the horse and rider the feel for the horse working off the hind. :)

    Keep working at him - he will be fabulous at it in no time. :) I knew of and wanted to achieve collection for a long time, but really could not put my finger on what it was until I was all of a sudden working my horse collected, when all of the pieces just sort of fit together. When I am not really working at it, my horse feels like his front feet are full of bricks during his stops, turns, and gaits. When I get everything working together though, it feels great. :)

    I hope my novel was helpful in some way for you.
         

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