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post #1 of 19 Old 03-13-2011, 12:20 AM Thread Starter
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What do you think..potential purchase

At 47 seconds he is shown under saddle.

He is in my price range. No injuries. Is fairly young, but looks like he has been taught the basics. I am looking for lower level dressage prospects.

Any opinions would be great.


He is about 150 miles away, so I would love some experienced critiques before I go up there. Thank you.

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post #2 of 19 Old 03-13-2011, 12:49 AM
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He looks like a lovely horse Starlite but I am going to be brutally honest here:

1.) He looks off in the stifles, particularly the left.

2.) He has no reach and and a slightly mincing stride in the back end (perhaps related to the stifles) which makes him look uneven as his front end is quite reasonable.

3.) The way he has been trained absolutely reeks of too much time in side reins: He is very rarely on the bit, often he is behind the bit evading contact or sucking back from the bit - a very very bad thing for dressage. I would prefer to see a horse in front of the vertical while they are young so that they can move correctly.

4.) Judging from the way they free jump, I have several questions about this facility! Watching him jump obstacles that were beyond his scope at this stage in his training and then seeing him hit the ground only to have his head jerked around by the lunge line made me cringe!

Nice horse but no. 1 is a dealbreaker for me. No's 2,3 and 4 can be dealt with if you choose to but stifle problems are all sorts of hell that you don't need!

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He looks like a lovely horse Starlite but I am going to be brutally honest here:

1.) He looks off in the stifles, particularly the left.

2.) He has no reach and and a slightly mincing stride in the back end (perhaps related to the stifles) which makes him look uneven as his front end is quite reasonable.

3.) The way he has been trained absolutely reeks of too much time in side reins: He is very rarely on the bit, often he is behind the bit evading contact or sucking back from the bit - a very very bad thing for dressage. I would prefer to see a horse in front of the vertical while they are young so that they can move correctly.

4.) Judging from the way they free jump, I have several questions about this facility! Watching him jump obstacles that were beyond his scope at this stage in his training and then seeing him hit the ground only to have his head jerked around by the lunge line made me cringe!

Nice horse but no. 1 is a dealbreaker for me. No's 2,3 and 4 can be dealt with if you choose to but stifle problems are all sorts of hell that you don't need!

JMO.
Thank you thank you thank you. The "free jumping" part made me absolutely shudder as well. Number 1 confuses me, would you mind elaborating? And I agree..I don't need anything that causes me hell.

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Number 1 confuses me, would you mind elaborating?
Could his stifle/mincey gate in the rear be because he is behind the bit?

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I too think that he might have a stifle issue, it is at its most noticeable in canter, the horse is not tracking up at all.
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Sarah was right on all points except I dont' really know if the lack of stride under is a stifle issue or just being ridden behind th ebit and on the forehand.
I was also amazed at the free jumping ad the way he was cut short on his landing. I figure Sarah has a better eye for these things that I do, but perhaps she can explain, 'cause I would like to know how to see these things.
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Sarah was right on all points except I dont' really know if the lack of stride under is a stifle issue or just being ridden behind th ebit and on the forehand.
I was also amazed at the free jumping ad the way he was cut short on his landing. I figure Sarah has a better eye for these things that I do, but perhaps she can explain, 'cause I would like to know how to see these things.
Me too. The ripping of his head upon landing is what got me shaking my head.. Instinctively it just seemed wrong. The stifle once pointed out to me, looks very very stiff like he is avoiding really extending it at all but unfortunately I do not have the experience to notice these things myself yet.

I am getting really worried I am never going to find a good horse in my price range.

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I would pass too. Like Sarah pointed out, there is something going on with his back end. If it is an unsoundness issue or a training issue I don't have the eye to tell, but it is enough for me to think it is too much of a worry.

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To me, price would play a role in how I would proceed with this horse. If he was in the $500 - $2,000 range, I might pass. If he is above the $2,000 mark and I was serious enough about him, I would have him vetted.

While I agree that there is something off about his back end, I'm more inclined to think it is his rider then a physical problem since you say he is green and young.

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To me, price would play a role in how I would proceed with this horse. If he was in the $500 - $2,000 range, I might pass. If he is above the $2,000 mark and I was serious enough about him, I would have him vetted.

While I agree that there is something off about his back end, I'm more inclined to think it is his rider then a physical problem since you say he is green and young.
He is over the $500-2000 range, but not by much. I am not over the moon for him, so it isn't a huge disappointment. I am just glad I have an extra set of "eyes" here that can help me with these kinds of things, because as I said before I don't have the experience to pick it out myself yet. Video's are such a huge help, I live in a rural area and so far have been able to eliminate several horses that otherwise I would have driven several hundred miles to see.

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