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    04-14-2010, 09:56 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by churumbeque    
Well the ones I have had experience were well taken care from birth of and not starved or wormy. 1 is a friesian cross and the other a draft qtr cross. At no time did they every look underweight or ribby and they were not over fed. Just lots of good hay and reccomended daily rations of safe choice and regular worming. If a horse is getting fed properly and wormed it should look healthy and fit.

Just on a technical note, friesians are not drafts.

And it's also dependent on the TYPE of draft crosses you have been around. From what I have seen (pictures on these boards included) Belgian and Perch crosses tend to stay a lot more round and hold their heavy conformation all the way across the board, where the Clyde and Shire crosses I have seen tend to shoot up, get real tall and leggy, and don't really start packing on the muscle until much later in their maturity. Just from what I've seen anyways. Finn came to me as a two month old, and has had been very well taken care of since I got him - but before he came to me - literally no care at all, what his mother could provide, which had to be limited in her state, was all he got.

Anebel ~ thank you, I wouldn't be going grand prix anyways, at my age starting out now, I don't think I could dream of getting there! Just looking to do schooling/first level, and if he'll do at entry level, then I'm happy! Thank you, I know your opinion is very well respected in terms of these things.

Draftrider ~ Thanks, I have started to feed him up because he's going through a growth spurt - he's already shot up an inch in the last two weeks and looks like he's going to keep going for a bit. I wasn't overly concerned, his ribs are visible in the right light (he's freshly clipped, and still wet in the pictures posted!) but he's got decent muscling and his spine/hips are well padded, so I knew he wasn't at an unhealthy level of weight needing gained. I appreciate your posts!
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    04-14-2010, 11:10 PM
He's going to be huge! My draft cross was 14.3 at 1 and is currently 18 hds. At 5...... We are doing some low level eventing and although he isn't the most amazing mover under saddle (can do all kinds of high level dressage moves when he sees something spooky in the pasture!), he is extremely comfortable in all 3 gaits and loves to do cross country! It's really hard to say looking at your guy how he'll end up. They are so awkward, butt high one day and the reverse the next! I fed my colt Triple Crown Junior and it kept him in good weight w/out any joint issues. Goodluck with him and keep us updated on his growth :)
    04-15-2010, 01:07 AM
One thing to always keep in mind is that drafts have a very hard time metabolizing sugars, which is the reason they have such a high incidence of EPSM. Its much better for them to be on a diet of very good hay, and if you need to supplement use beet pulp shreds, or Safe choice pellets, and supplement the fat level. Too much sugar for a draft is bad news.

You are right about different draft breeds maturing differently too. I've noticed that my clyde cross filly is very long legged and rangy looking, compared to similar aged colts that are Belgian or Perch crosses. But, Clydes and Shires tend to be taller, leaner and leggier than some of the other breeds.
    04-15-2010, 10:15 AM
Originally Posted by draftrider    
Ok so you have had experience with 2 draft crosses.

Indy, he looks fine for this stage in his growth. All I really deal with are drafts, and he looks like just about every juvenile draft cross.

A lot can change in his conformation over the next 4 years. Drafts grow until they are around 6 years old and will still be laying muscle until they are 7 or 8 years old.
Just giving "my" opinion that he looked like he was lacking weight. Not sure why it matters or why you can't state your opinion on your own with out questioning my knowlegde. I have seen several draft horse sales, fairs and in pastures and the ones that were well cared for had more weight on them. Sometimes when you see your horse every day you do not notice what others see.
    04-15-2010, 10:31 AM
Its a public board, give your opinion.

But... to base your entire experience with drafts on 2 crossbreds is like saying you know everything about horses when you've only ridden on the pony go round at the county fair.

And to say "well cared for drafts have more weight" implies that Indyhorse is not caring for her colt properly. That is what irritated me- the implication of neglect.
    04-15-2010, 04:00 PM
Originally Posted by danastark    
He's going to be huge! My draft cross was 14.3 at 1 and is currently 18 hds. At 5...
CRAP!!! Rafe is 14.3 at 9 months. I'm going to need a ladder.
    04-15-2010, 04:14 PM
I have nothing to really add, but DANG what a stunner!! ^_^ I want!
    04-15-2010, 06:15 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by draftrider    
Its a public board, give your opinion.

But... to base your entire experience with drafts on 2 crossbreds is like saying you know everything about horses when you've only ridden on the pony go round at the county fair.

And to say "well cared for drafts have more weight" implies that Indyhorse is not caring for her colt properly. That is what irritated me- the implication of neglect.

Draftrider, thank you. I appreciate your support. My horses are certainly not neglected or lacking in care, nor are any of my animals. I try to be optimistic about the manner in which things are posted on here, and so I do try to take things as well meaning and well intentioned, despite how they might occasionally come across. (we do, after all, have quite a few very educated and usually well meaning posters on here who tend to come across as rather abrupt! I know I've certainly been guilty of it myself from time to time)

But anyone who knows me well would certainly know I would go hungry long before any of my animals every would. It's easy to make a split second judgment on someone you know nothing about when you can't be bothered to find out more about the situation. Finn's weight is (always) closely monitored, and he is and has always been on free choice, good, content-tested hay. I did have him off any other feed for a while, and that has been added back in to support his current growth spurt. I would much rather see him a tiny bit ribby at this growth stage than carrying too much extra weight. Being slim for a short while won't have long term health drawbacks, where being heavy right now could.
    04-15-2010, 06:19 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by smrobs    
CRAP!!! Rafe is 14.3 at 9 months. I'm going to need a ladder.
heehee he's going to be the tallest of them all, you wait and see! He's not only tall right now, he's just massive overall! Gorgeous though. Just get in some bungee-jumping now, so you'll be ready when he comes of age!
    04-16-2010, 03:54 AM
You are welcome Indy. I do rescue (in fact, ALL my horses are rescues that I adopted) and it burns me up sometimes when someone's horse is a bit ribby and everyone jumps on them and says they are underweight. Honey, if you want to see underweight horses... I have photos of rehab horses that would make you cry.

You hit the nail on the head too about being TOO heavy. It is better right now to build structure and frame on a horse. Build his skeleton first- muscling comes later. Too many babies are pushed for fast growth and it causes musculo-skeletal problems down the road. I'd rather see a shadow of ribs than a fat foal, in particular a foal that likely will be 1600 lbs or better as an adult.

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