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  • Purpose of draw reins in wp

 
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    11-09-2008, 01:53 AM
  #21
Showing
Ignore if already asked: I'm wondering... are those draw reins and a curb bit?
     
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    11-09-2008, 01:54 AM
  #22
Showing
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Originally Posted by WesternPleasure27    
Are you riding in a curb and draw reins?
Hahaha.. didn't see this post till a few minutes after I posted... Jinx!!
     
    11-09-2008, 01:51 PM
  #23
Weanling
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Originally Posted by ahearn    
OK, Farmpony, I'm sitting here reading through these critiques and the only thing that comes to me is ...HE'S ONLY TWO!!!!!!!!! He is doing FAR more than any two year old I have seen! You have done an excellent job with him. Some of the things people are seeing is because of maturity ( of your horse that is!). This is by far the best looking two year old I have seen!

As for you, if anyone has never ridden a baby before (that's what I call my young, greenbroke horses) they wol dnot understand the exaggerated movement you are doing. This HAS to be done for the horse to understand what's going on on his back...otherwise they tend to flip out! :)
I totally agree with ahearn. He is doing verrrry well as a two year old. And yeah she basically sums it all up lol=)
     
    11-09-2008, 04:32 PM
  #24
Foal
Since I can't seem to edit my post and add to it, I'll add down here.

If you ARE riding in a curb and draw reins, there are SEVERAL problems with this combination.

FIRST issue is the curb bit....the horse is TWO, no horse two years of age should be in a curb let alone need one. Curbs are for horses 5 years and up. You are going to create a hard mouthed horse. Go back to the snaffle- with young horses this is the ONLY way to go (with the exception of the bosal or hackmore). The curb is also what is causing him to be behind the vertical (btv) and too round in the neck.

Second issue is the draw reins. Why? If you are having to force his head down, he should NOT be a WP horse. Again, draw reins should not be used for the head set and should come later on in the horse's training. They were not made to be used on two year olds.

My next issue is the combination of the two- draw reins (or any type of "headset gadget") should NEVER NEVER NEVER be used with a curb. That is way too much pressure in way too many places for any horse, let alone a baby. You said yourself he isn't on his hind end- that's because this combo is forcing him downwards on the front end causing him to be too heavy on the forehand.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT SPEED- work on a properly moving horse, once he moves properly, he will round through the back and collect himself by himself- no gadgets needed. You will also be able to slow him down more effectively.

Also, you are too stiff through your body. Open up your hips and stop trying to resist the motion. Don't brace your legs, but let them "absorb" the impact. Make sure you use your seat and leg aides before your hands as well.
     
    11-09-2008, 04:54 PM
  #25
Super Moderator
Quote:
Originally Posted by WesternPleasure27    
Are you riding in a curb and draw reins?
Yip... I don't always... but yip, that day I was. He'll actually ride in just about anything. I show him AQHA in a bosal but I show him locally in a snaffle, although next year for AQHA I can technically show him in a port bit...

And he doesn't need the draw reigns to drop his head, the draw reigns are actually to help me collect him without being too harsh on his mouth. I'll post a video w/out drawreigns when I can.....
     
    11-09-2008, 11:13 PM
  #26
Weanling
As for the draw reins, I have used and so have MANY of my trainer friends, these on young horses. There is NOTHING wrong with this practice. Any trainer will tell you this is ok....I would use a snaffle with it though, not a curb. Atleast not with a younger horse. I have used draw reins and a curb with a 6 year old though. Sorry, but western training is a bit different than english....
     
    11-09-2008, 11:20 PM
  #27
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by ahearn    
As for the draw reins, I have used and so have MANY of my trainer friends, these on young horses. There is NOTHING wrong with this practice. Any trainer will tell you this is ok....I would use a snaffle with it though, not a curb. Atleast not with a younger horse. I have used draw reins and a curb with a 6 year old though. Sorry, but western training is a bit different than english....
Sorry, but I train both.
Thanks
     
    11-09-2008, 11:45 PM
  #28
Foal
Also, if you Google the use of draw reins on young horses, you will find that not "any trainer will tell you this is ok," in fact, most DISAPPROVE.
     
    11-10-2008, 03:10 AM
  #29
Showing
I'm with WP27 on this one.. about everything she's stated thus far.
I have never and will never use draw reins with a curb bit.
I also agree that you shouldn't worry about going slow right now - get the horse moving out correctly then you can add the collection.
Let me also say that I do not "disapprove" of draw reins being used correctly, however very few people (being very general here!) it seems actually know how to use them.

ETA - and usually I only suggest using them with more well-established horses.

I have a feeling this will be my last post in this thread, just though I'd toss my two cents in for what it's worth.
     
    11-10-2008, 09:46 AM
  #30
Super Moderator
You can post away. I read all of the critiques and I take in advice that I feel will help me. I am not taking your comments as personnel attacks although, Seeing me ride my horse this one time it isn't really fair to be "judgemental" in responses. Giving facts and advice is great, that's what the critique section is for.

I will say that I have a great trainer and I trust her and her husband very very much. I don't believe they would ever lead me wrong on purpose and they've done really well for themselves in the QH, Arab, and Mule circuits. She is the one that told me to, on occasion ride in the port, and yes she did say the draw reigns are fine for me to use with it, and if you go to a QH show and watch people warm up, you'll see TONS of riders in draw reigns and a port - I do know what a port does and I do know how to ride in one, and I do agree that draw reigns and a port are not always a good combination.

I'm opposite of a lot of the QH riders. They'll get into a really bad habit which is to snatch on the mouth - it's one of the dangers or I geuss Risks you take when you learn to ride in that frame, you get a little snatchy sometimes. Especially the younger riders. My problem is that my cues are too soft and I get really "naggy" and that's really BAD. It's a problem I have to fix and the draw reigns help me.

I do ride in a snaffle, I also ride in the bosal and I ride in the port. I've ridden him in several bits as I think it's important for a horse to be versatile. As for the speed, that's not my main concern, my concern is to get him underneath himself, which as you can see I'm having issues at the canterlope... It's going to take me a while because I'm not working him very hard at this point as he is only two. I have a lifetime ahead of me to get him where he needs to be. That's why he's a little fast. I can get him to crawl at the jog, it's his "easy" pace. The lope, he's a little lazy as most babie's are... he's not rushy, which is good but it's really really hard work for him to collect up, he'd rather be strung out... and he gets a little confused with the whole hold his front end back but push his hind end forward thing... he's only two....

Anyway, the judgemental portion of the posts is a little hurtful as I love my horse and I'm really working hard with him but the advice portions are great I do take what I can from it...
     

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