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        10-03-2013, 06:32 PM
      #11
    Trained
    I'd do the bare minimum today, do what he CAN do and leave it at that. So he doesn't think he got out of it, but rather that he did right.
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        10-03-2013, 07:01 PM
      #12
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
    I'd do the bare minimum today, do what he CAN do and leave it at that. So he doesn't think he got out of it, but rather that he did right.
    Good idea.
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        10-03-2013, 08:30 PM
      #13
    Trained
    Hes spoiled. Your green. He's testing you. Trying to get away with crap. Taking advantage of you.
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        10-03-2013, 11:08 PM
      #14
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    Always keep in mind that your horse has the attention span of a two year old toddler, at best. He will always be looking for something to focus on, and it's either going to be you, or something more important. He doesn't have an agenda to try and trick you out, or be a spoiled child. He just goes where he thinks things are more important. Other horses and food are about the most important thing to a hrose, except a scary rustling in the bushes, and then only for a second til he knows it's the wind.

    The trick is to have his attention, which mean you have to be both interesting and important. It's likely that after an hour, and if you are a moderate beginner, you did not realize that his attention was not really with you. It was probably not really all that "there" when the horses entered, and suddenly there is something very important there. He left you altogether at that point. Then, it took a lot to get him back to you, mentally. As a greener rider, you are not able to be that important that he gives up the outward draw and comes back to you. Your trainer can, but even she had to work at it.

    Anyway, my rambling is only to say that when you are riding him, or doing groundwork with him, it can be easy to keep his attention if there is no competition. Once the competition arrives, you have to be smarter to win . But, don't think of it in terms of "my horse wants to be spoiled, and has an agenda". He just follows his horsey brain, so give him something to follow.
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        10-04-2013, 12:22 AM
      #15
    Weanling
    Thanks, Tiny, that helps a lot to put it in perspective. I know horses don't do things with the complexity people do, but sometimes it's easy to forget that he's doing things because he wants to, not because I don't want him to. My natural passivity gets in the way of growing as a rider sometimes, but I'm glad my instincts are to be too indulgent rather than to get angry and take it out on him. This way I can find my strength and leadership pleasantly :)

    I rode tonight and, as desert suggested, took it easy so we were likely to have a ride where he thought he was doing a good job. He was excellent! We did yielding exercises on the ground, and then since he didn't seem sore I just walked him, working on bending, controlling the walk and doing walk-slow-stop-walk-walk out etc. and all our friends were there, too, so I practiced walking him away from the group and allowing them to get ahead of us, praising enthusiastically every time he followed a cue. He's a good boy, and the advice of all you guys is really helping us get to an awesome place :)
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        10-04-2013, 01:38 AM
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    I'm glad my instincts are to be too indulgent rather than to get angry and take it out on him. This way I can find my strength and leadership pleasantly :)


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    I think there is a middle ground there. Being firm and having expectations is not necessarily geting angry. It's more about being really, reallly clear with what you want, not being sidetracked by the horse's emotional responses, and not giving up when you are half way there.

    I just had a lesson tonight, and some things I am kind of getting, but when my teacher gets on, she expects sooooo much more out of the horse. It sometimes looks a bit rough, but what it is is the horse coming to meet her expectation, and her "hanging in there" until he does, and if his resistance is strong, it may take some time and firmness on the rider's part to change the horse's mind. But being angry is not part of that. It's being "firm".
         
        10-04-2013, 01:19 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    Tiny, I totally agree. I didn't mean that riders are one or the other I just meant if I had to have a fundamental way of riding that wasn't ideal, I'm glad it's not being too rough. Of course the goal is to be like your trainer, fair but with expectations. I'm hopefully getting there :)
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        10-05-2013, 06:15 AM
      #18
    Green Broke
    Also could be that horse is not paying attention to you as much as you think, if he gets more focused on other things.

    Before it suited him to listen...but the second he didn't want to, he didn't.

    As for comment about it is nature for horses to quit paying attention when other horses come around?

    No. A well trained horse will still be listening and doing what is asked. They should continue working with no change.
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        10-05-2013, 08:30 AM
      #19
    Weanling
    I have always lived by the rule that I would rather have 45 minutes of good work than an hour of good work and the last 15 of that is a challenge. How long were you working on the circles and doing what you were doing? If you do something over and over and over, they get tired of it, or they get bored. Also, some horses dislike the arena, they prefer to be out on a trail now and then to keep their mind active.
         
        10-05-2013, 09:07 AM
      #20
    Showing
    If you are pleased with how he does even in the first 10 min. Walk him to the top end of the arena (farthest from the gate) dismount and keep him there for another 10 min or so so he doesn't get the idea that just because he's finished he's heading back to his stall/pasture. This is a good time to fine-tune his ground manners.
         

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