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post #1 of 14 Old 02-04-2013, 02:09 PM Thread Starter
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Asking BO to use horse/facility?

A friend has a young daughter (13) who wants to take lessons in exchange for mucking/cleaning/character building. I am up for the task, and totally willing to start yesterday.

Issue: We live on a property (rent the barn apartment) and work as employees doing maintenance, feeding, mucking, and off the clock I like to groom the horses. There is one horse I think would be great for this girl to learn on, but as I am not the property owner or horse owner, I can't just say come on over and saddle up.

How would you go about asking the BO for permission to give lessons in their facilities on their horse? I could ask straight out, but I don't want to hear "no" if I could have heard "yes" when asked/presented differently, if that makes sense.

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post #2 of 14 Old 02-04-2013, 02:13 PM
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well no one knows them like you do. Present your question nicely and with professionalism and I am sure with a release signed they will say yes if they have confidence in you.

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What Critter Sitter has said and toss in a couple of advantages to the BO for doing this (free up BO`s time, get the horse more exercise, etc).
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post #4 of 14 Old 02-04-2013, 07:19 PM
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depends on alot of variables. Does the barn do lessons now and youd be cutting in on thier business ? Are these horses only ridden by the owner ? Guess it all depends on the local situation and what kinda relationship you have with the owner, I really see two mutually exclusive problems.
The barn doesnt do lessons, and so doenst have the liability insurance to cover the situation. Or the barn does do lessons and wouldnt want you to be cutting in on the current trainers job.
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No lessons but other people (friends, family, acquaintances, etc) do ride the horses fairly regularly.

I am almost more concerned that they will say no because I can't offer any compensation for the use of the horse/s.
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It's more complicated than that. The girl wants to work in exchange for saddle time - pretty reasonable. However she is underage so someone needs to supervise her the entire time she's there and accept respnsibilitu and liability for her. You will need paperwork signed by her parents. The compensation for the use of the horse would be whatever work the girl does. You wouldn't get compensated for your time.
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post #7 of 14 Old 02-05-2013, 04:28 PM
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this is what my insurance man told me, If a friend comes over to ride, and falls on his head, if their is a claim I lose, I am covered on my farm policy., the minute I charge money (even bartered labor) for that ride I would need a business liability insurance.
No idea what your situation is, just something to consider. I guess I am just paranoid about liability coverage in this suit happy world.
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So basically, you want to use your employer's horse in exchange for this girl doing work for which you're getting paid? Do I have that scenario correctly?

What's in it for your employer? I see both you and the girl getting the advantage in this situation, and your employer paying you for work you won't be doing, as well as taking on the liability for this child should she get hurt.

I'd tell you no, if it was me. I'm sure they're smart enough to figure all of this out, too.

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If it was your own horse you might get by doing it and having your own liability policy. But it looks like a bit of a slippery slope for the farm owner since it's all their property and their liability. Too bad the girl isn't a friend of the owner also.
But in this day and age nobody has to be responsible for anything they do. Lawsuits keep the ambulance chasers in beer money...or champagne if they're real successful.

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So basically, you want to use your employer's horse in exchange for this girl doing work for which you're getting paid? Do I have that scenario correctly?

What's in it for your employer? I see both you and the girl getting the advantage in this situation, and your employer paying you for work you won't be doing, as well as taking on the liability for this child should she get hurt.

I'd tell you no, if it was me. I'm sure they're smart enough to figure all of this out, too.
This is incorrect. I would like to use the horse and facility, and the girl would be doing the work - nobody would be getting paid, except the BO who gets "free" labor. My own work is on a separate clock; this would strictly be my free time, and the girl would pick up some poop/clean her tack during that time.

I have said what I have said. I have not said what I have not said.
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