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        07-31-2013, 03:59 PM
      #11
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Muppetgirl    
    How did you manage to go through 30 trainers in fours year? Surely atleast one of them had something to offer
    Not literally 30! LOL but a lot. A lot of them weren't that professional and the professional one's, we had trouble with too. I also do a specific kind of riding discipline- and the closest trainer with that is like 2 hours away. So I kept trying to kind of mash my discipline in with what the trainers were telling me. But it didn't go well :P But I've learned a lot from them.
         
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        07-31-2013, 04:01 PM
      #12
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Snapper    


    I really need help from a professional here... I don't have an instructor since I've had easily over 30 in my 4 or so years of riding, I just finally had enough and I keep instructing myself. Thanks so much.


    P.S. I honestly can say it had nothing to do with my feelings though. I wasn't scared at all, I don't get scared I handle things. So no sensing things here
    Hello and welcome. I guess will start here, you say you need help from a professional here, but you seem to have given up on them. Most people struggling to train themselves can't find a trainer, how come you have been through so many? Just trying to find out a little about what makes you tick.
         
        07-31-2013, 05:34 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    Welcome to the forum! Well I've read your post and it sounds like this horse has got you all figured out. He knows you don't know what to do and your letting him get away with something by trotting ahead when you didnt tell him to. I suggest you nip this in the bud before it gets worse and he starts galloping away with you.

    I have a few questions for you and im sorry if you already answered them. But when he starts to speed up, is it when your heading home or just randomly. And secondly why don't you try a bit? I would suggest using one especially if he is trying to run away with you. And another thing I have to add, maybe when he starts to act up you might start to tense and grip with your legs without realizing it. I hope I helped somewhat :)
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        07-31-2013, 05:35 PM
      #14
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by nickers103    
    I do know of some horses that respond better in a bit-less bridle so as long as you feel comfortable with it (and he responds accordingly), you may be alright.

    As for gaining respect and teaching the horse to move, I have found that ground work has done wonders for me, though I'm certainly not saying that it's a "solve-all". Do you have access to a round-pen or an area that you could use to see about doing some ground work exercises in? Work on getting him to move his feet and controlling him more so with your body (that is one of the advantages of bit-less riding, after all).

    Using a crop to lightly tap him and encourage him to move forward after you have qued him and if he still will not move may work as a good training aid. I always think of it as "okay, I asked once, don't make me ask twice" - kick. "I'm asking twice and this time I really do mean it with just a little more force..." - kick a bit harder. "you've had ample warning and now I really do mean business" - tap with the crop in conjunction with a kick. He should after awhile catch on and you should no longer need the use of an aid.

    As for slowing him down while on the trail, I would suggest really thinking about and trying to slow your body down. Think about having your butt firmly planted into that saddle. The more you slow your body down, the harder it will be for him to move forward faster.




    Update: My father says we can bring in a trainer to teach me groundwork, answer my questions and watch my poor ole boy in the trail. It's hard to think about it, but he might have been really scared e.o he might not have had as much trail experience as promised. Thanks so much!
         
        07-31-2013, 05:37 PM
      #15
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by LouieThePalomino    
    Welcome to the forum! Well I've read your post and it sounds like this horse has got you all figured out. He knows you don't know what to do and your letting him get away with something by trotting ahead when you didnt tell him to. I suggest you nip this in the bud before it gets worse and he starts galloping away with you.

    I have a few questions for you and im sorry if you already answered them. But when he starts to speed up, is it when your heading home or just randomly. And secondly why don't you try a bit? I would suggest using one especially if he is trying to run away with you. And another thing I have to add, maybe when he starts to act up you might start to tense and grip with your legs without realizing it. I hope I helped somewhat :)
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    No not when we're heading home, just in any direction. My father says yes to try a bit in the arena for awhile and then try him out on trail in the bit ^^ But no, I made sure I wasn't tensing up haha. He's really stubborn, cause when he wants to run away and I have him stopped, I just give him the tiniest lil bump and he goes. But when he doesn't want to, a big kick won't get him going >.< really stubborn.
         
        07-31-2013, 05:43 PM
      #16
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Snapper    
    No not when we're heading home, just in any direction. My father says yes to try a bit in the arena for awhile and then try him out on trail in the bit ^^ But no, I made sure I wasn't tensing up haha. He's really stubborn, cause when he wants to run away and I have him stopped, I just give him the tiniest lil bump and he goes. But when he doesn't want to, a big kick won't get him going >.< really stubborn.
    Hes probably trying to get away with something then. My horse does the same thing too, he will jig and act like a complete idiot after we canter so I have to make him walk several circles to calm him down. I also forgot to mention in my last post that, whenever he tries to speed up without you telling him to, IMMEDIATELY make him do circles in a walk and make sure he has impulsion so he has to work harder. I did that with my gelding everytime he went to jig or trot ahead and now he's perfect. I also found that when doing a cirlcle if you can, make him walk over something like a log or whatever so he will have to pay attention to you.
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        07-31-2013, 09:44 PM
      #17
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Snapper    
    Hi. I'm 15 and I've owned him for about, Meh a year but I've been actually riding him for around 9 months. :)
    Yay! I have taken him out again today with a bit bridle and spurs, he is apparently used to spurs. Anyways he wasn't going with the bit bridle, so we put on the bitless bridle and now I can finally get him to move! The only problem is slowing him down but oh well haha. Foal steps foal steps
         
        07-31-2013, 09:52 PM
      #18
    Green Broke
    I think with response to leg aids the things is just to work on it, and be consistent. Always start lightly, then go up a stage and then make it unpleasant enough that he moves forward and as soon as he does then release all pressure. Don't ask for fast or better yet, just get forward. If it's halt to walk you're having problems with then practice that, don't go trotting off etc just do it again and again and again always asking softly then get stronger. When you use your aids, make it a quick thing, don't sit their kicking and sighing or clicking. Make it a quick escalation with no pauses and stop giving the aid immediately when he moves.

    Have you heard of the one rein stop? It's been around forever and lots of people use it for horses that are running out of control (however it can be dangerous at speed) but it can also be trained as a "shutdown" button in a way. Basically, the theory is that as soon as he would break it to the trot you'd one rein stop him - not even try to argue. Once he has stopped, you release the pressure and continue walking. Might take a little while but he'll get the idea that running off doesn't get him anywhere. I train the one rein stop by asking for flexion on the ground first, getting them to bring their head right to the side. They'll walk in circles for a while but eventually they'll stop and then you release. Do it a while and they'll work out just to turn their heads. Then I do it under saddle at the walk in the arena, again might take a few turns but as soon as they stop I release. They get it pretty quick. Basically you grasp one rein pull it around, no pressure on opposing rein. There is a lot about it online, have a look, might work for you.

    I'd also just do walk on trails for a while. Get him understanding that he always has to walk, and once he has that then start introducing deliberate trots.

    When I was your age I had some problems with instructors too. Many are good with kids, many are good with adults but few are good at communicating to teenagers. The stuff you need help with not discipline specific. So get any instructor that you think you can learn from, that you get along with and is clear in their instruction. Once you've fixed these problems you can look for discipline specific help.
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        08-01-2013, 08:48 AM
      #19
    Foal
    Saskia did a nice job of trying to describe what I meant and some useful advice with the one rein stop.
         
        08-01-2013, 08:48 PM
      #20
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Saskia    
    I think with response to leg aids the things is just to work on it, and be consistent. Always start lightly, then go up a stage and then make it unpleasant enough that he moves forward and as soon as he does then release all pressure. Don't ask for fast or better yet, just get forward. If it's halt to walk you're having problems with then practice that, don't go trotting off etc just do it again and again and again always asking softly then get stronger. When you use your aids, make it a quick thing, don't sit their kicking and sighing or clicking. Make it a quick escalation with no pauses and stop giving the aid immediately when he moves.

    Have you heard of the one rein stop? It's been around forever and lots of people use it for horses that are running out of control (however it can be dangerous at speed) but it can also be trained as a "shutdown" button in a way. Basically, the theory is that as soon as he would break it to the trot you'd one rein stop him - not even try to argue. Once he has stopped, you release the pressure and continue walking. Might take a little while but he'll get the idea that running off doesn't get him anywhere. I train the one rein stop by asking for flexion on the ground first, getting them to bring their head right to the side. They'll walk in circles for a while but eventually they'll stop and then you release. Do it a while and they'll work out just to turn their heads. Then I do it under saddle at the walk in the arena, again might take a few turns but as soon as they stop I release. They get it pretty quick. Basically you grasp one rein pull it around, no pressure on opposing rein. There is a lot about it online, have a look, might work for you.

    I'd also just do walk on trails for a while. Get him understanding that he always has to walk, and once he has that then start introducing deliberate trots.

    When I was your age I had some problems with instructors too. Many are good with kids, many are good with adults but few are good at communicating to teenagers. The stuff you need help with not discipline specific. So get any instructor that you think you can learn from, that you get along with and is clear in their instruction. Once you've fixed these problems you can look for discipline specific help.
    Thank you! I never considered the stop since I thought it was for only real real real emergencies, but I should have tried a lighter version of that!
    I may or may not get another trainer for me though. We've tried almost all the ones near me and different things were wrong with them. I'm a bit nervous cause the last Trainer was *so* mean. I can take a bit rudeness but this girl would go far beyond that to tell me how bad I was instead of trying to encourage me to improve. But we'll look around for one who can tell me what to do in certain situations, that's all I need right now. Thank you all so much for your help!
         

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