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        01-08-2014, 05:43 PM
      #71
    Yearling
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    lbs, I get that bareback (or bareback pad or saddle blanket) put pressure points into a horse's back muscles and that can be a problem. But carrying a rider also puts more pressure on their hooves, fetlocks, stifles, knees, spine and everything else too. We see soreness and issues there moreso over long distances and higher loads as well, just like issues with our seatbones causing back muscle soreness.

    Riding is not natural, but it is what earns my horse a relatively cushy life and IMO, riding bareback is no worse than riding is in general. Potential strain, yes. Especially considering weight and skill of a rider. Worse than a saddle? I'm not convinced. Worse than a perfectly fitting saddle, probably, and certainly in theory but considering how many saddles are put on horses and ridden in that don't really fit as well as we would like, I don't see a real difference in the practical, real-world application.

    Love the story of the Soldier. I'm sure the poor guy honestly felt he was helping his mount. There but for the grace we all go, right?
    No one who deals with horse is going to dispute that what we use horses for (even eating them ) is going to have some form of impact on the horse. Even if we just have them as a pasture ornament we're impacting their natural tendency to roam.
    Riding is certainly one of the things we do that is most unnatural for the horse. They're built like a basic beam style bridge (only supported on the ends) so riding on their back is about the worst place to be (and if you dig a bit you'll find that the back was the only location on a horse that people rode ....check out the "donkey seat" sometime...it's a better location for the horse, but not for us).
    Actually, the feet, legs and associated joints are areas that we have the ability to have some of the least amount of impact on (that's not to say that we don't, because we usually don't do it right). If you wait for a horse's joints to finish their growth before placing demands on them that lessens the impact on joints. If we don't shoe them and take the time to condition them (or use boots if we can't wait) that lessens the impact and damage on the feet. If we take the time to remodel the bones enough (makes them denser, thicker and stronger) we lessen the impact on the bones. There will always be some impact, but if we don't rush time and use it to the horses advantage we can reduce the amount of impact we have.
    Of course, even doing everything right, the back is going to be toughest in that we can only strengthen the muscles and (if everything is perfect ...) displace the weight carried to the maximum allowed by the type of saddle we end up using (which is generally dictated by either how we are using the horse or what our personal preferences are). If we ride we're going to put weight on the back which really isn't designed for carrying it. It's unfortunate, but it's the way it has to be or else we'd have to give up riding (and that's not likely ). And, as you so aptly put it, it's how they earn their keep.
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        01-08-2014, 09:04 PM
      #72
    Yearling
    "IMO, riding bareback is no worse than riding is in general. Potential strain, yes. Especially considering weight and skill of a rider. Worse than a saddle? I'm not convinced. Worse than a perfectly fitting saddle, probably, and certainly in theory but considering how many saddles are put on horses and ridden in that don't really fit as well as we would like, I don't see a real difference in the practical, real-world application."

    Actually, barring certain rather obvious cases (e.g. Like where the saddle is too narrow at the whither or so wide that the pommel actually makes contact with the whither and extreme situation of that kind) even a saddle that has a less then perfect twist on the bar so that say only 75% has good contact (not a perfect fit and will leave some dry spots) still displaces more weight across that 75%, and therefore has less impact, than all the weight being distributed on those two relatively small bones we sit on .

    But as I've said (more than once here ) while the 30 minute bareback ride to visit you friend will result in your weight being concentrated at two small areas on the horses back (about the worst thing, which is why narrow saddles are among the worst cases too) it will not (or should not with a horse that does not already have a sore muscle issue) disable your horse or prevent you from doing it again the next day .
    Remember that horses deal with something uncomfortable every time we get on their back (with or without a saddle). It's really only a question of how much discomfort you want to or are willing to impose.
    For me it's never been a question of what people do with their horse or use their horses for. I just think that people should be aware of the results of their actions. People who are informed and aware of it are more likely to take actions to alter, lessen, mitigate or compensate for it. In doing so they make it better for their horse (and possibly better for the person too in the long run ).
    But I still believe that "it's your horse, you can do what you want" (even if the person is an informed individual and chooses to ignore what they know).

    As for your opinion "riding bareback is no worse than riding is in general". That's the beauty of an opinion .

    There are two things that can't be taken from us and therefore always ours and we'll always have the right to them.
    1. Knowledge that we already have (it might be disproved, but not taken from us).
    And
    2 Beliefs or opinions (even in the face of overwhelming or irrefutable evidence to the contrary we will always be able to belief or disbelief anything we want...or have whatever opinion we like).

    Everything else in life can be taken away from or denied to us.
         
        01-09-2014, 03:11 PM
      #73
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    When I was a child loads of kids (myself included) rode in 'felt pad saddles' this is the closest pic I can find to what they looked like, the girth was attached and they had stirrups.
    They were cheap, you could throw them around for everyday use without your parents moaning at you for getting your good leather one scratched and damaged and they were really light to carry.
    I would ride miles in a day from early morning to evening and my ponies never showed any signs of being sore or uncomfortable.
    From the adult riders point of view - nowadays I wouldn't want to sit on anything that didn't have some comfort padding in it!!
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        01-11-2014, 10:53 AM
      #74
    Yearling
    Since reading this thread, I have paid more attention to my riding and noticed that when I ride bareback, I don't sit on my butt bones as much as I ride on the inside if my thighs. I post and "2point" by doing this and it is most of the time. I really only sit when walking.
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