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    12-20-2011, 10:40 AM
  #101
Trained
I actually wouldn't carry on private property. Out on the trail is another matter. My son-in-law has come across drug/gun caches while riding his dirt bike within 10 miles of me! He beat feet ASAP, but he now carries anytime he goes out off road. Sad that it has come to that.
     
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    12-20-2011, 10:47 AM
  #102
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Originally Posted by bsms    
I actually wouldn't carry on private property.
Not to derail this too much but normally I do and it's nobody's business. It's concealed. No one will see it unless it's go time.

By private property I mean businesses open to the public and other people's homes.

I follow all laws relating to the carrying of handguns to the T. I also don't advertise it to anyone when I am carrying, much less unholster to show it off or whatever.
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    12-20-2011, 11:01 AM
  #103
Green Broke
WELCOME!:)
My dad didn't start riding horses till I told him to hop on Mango bareback..Mango was about 18 at the time and had quite the nice boney back.....dad didn't like that so much but he bought his own saddle and has taken lessons with my mom and me:) He thinks is is a super awesome cowboy and that John Wayne has nothing on him..he started riding when he was aboout 48 I'd say, and is now 52!:P
     
    12-20-2011, 11:28 AM
  #104
Foal
I think it's great that you want to get into riding! There aren't enough guys in the sport. I actually think that if you were to start taking lessons or showing, you would get welcomed and accepted. I'm a female rider and I can tell you that whenever there was a new rider at the ranch that was a guy, it was cool. I didn't think negatively about them, I was glad that there is some gender diversity in the sport. I agree with you about wanting to take private lessons. I find that the instructor can focus their attention on what I'm doing and they can help me better than if they have to focus on a whole group. ;)
     
    12-20-2011, 12:55 PM
  #105
Started
It is interesting to compare the two photos.
The General (who was probably a colonel at the time of the photo was taken sometime around 1940) was riding in the military forward style with double reins - as per Vladimir Littauer's forward style which was fashionable at the time.

The rider in the coloured photo is riding in a modern pseudo classical style - be it with a loose rein and a backward sloping leg. However the grey is taking the jump in a rounded outline using a single rein.

The two styles of riding are separated by maybe 65 years.

It is for the experts to criticise the style of jumping but I suspect the grey could cope better with the layout of a modern jumping course which is designed to test the horse and rider more severely than the amateur military duo was once tested back in the late 1930s.

Alongside his military successes in Europe Patton saved the Lippizaner stallions at the end of WW2. Interestingly both the Russian Zhukov who commanded the Russian armies and Patton were ardent horse riders.

Modern competitive jumping courses are specifically designed to catch the horse out - the General's riding abilities would have been tested to the full by a modern professional show jumping course.

The painting of Patton shows him as a 4 star general - which means the painting was done not long before he was killed in a motoring accident after the war in Europe had ended. He was a controversial general who was superior to Eisenhower at the beginning of the war but by the time of the painting Eisenhower was a 5 star general and destined to be President.

Interesting both Patton and the supreme Russian General Zuikov were ardent horse riders.
     
    12-20-2011, 01:15 PM
  #106
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Barry,

When you look at modern 3-day eventers on their cross country phase, I think you will see a remarkable similarity of technique with General Patton's. In fact, notice the red on right/white on left flags along the jump. Methinks that the general (major/lt col/colonel at the time?) was participating in a 3 day event at the time the photo was taken.

Many (most?) eventers ride in a much less forward manner when going XC than they do in the stadium. And even then, both eventers and show jumpers almost never do stadium jumps in such an unbalance position as show hunters.

The jumper photo I posted is of the American show hunter discipline in which making the horse look as stylish as possible over jumps with the least amount of rider input is the goal. It is strictly a style show and the riders canter in a two point fwd position all over the course. Over the years show hunters have continued to deviate from the classical cross country jumping position to the extreme that you see today. It is educational to read older editions of George Morris' Hunt Seat Equitation and see how far from those positions show hunters in the US are today.

Honestly, I see little security in the modern show hunter style under stumbles or refusals.
     
    12-20-2011, 01:31 PM
  #107
Yearling
Unfortunately, I imagine there's a few people reading this thread wondering who the hell Patton is:

George S. Patton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
    12-20-2011, 01:56 PM
  #108
Started
It is not for me an Englishman to tell the story of General Patton.
He was arguably one of America's boldest generals and I must owe him for doing his part in finishing off the war with the Germans - who feared him.

Perhaps his British counterpart was solid General Montgomery - arguably described as an English eccentric, but a man who again did his full part in the defeat of the Germans on the ground.

I mentioned relentless Zuikov - he was honoured by Stalin to be given to ride a white stallion to the lead the troops at a post war victory parade in Moscow.

Arguably without the ruthlessness of Generals Montgomery, Patton and Zuikov the war might have ended differently.

It would have been interesting to have watched Patton handling a horse. It is said he loved horses.
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    12-20-2011, 02:02 PM
  #109
Green Broke
I love, just LOVE how threads digress haha! Digress, but someone stay on subject as he is technically a male rider?
     
    12-20-2011, 02:11 PM
  #110
Yearling
General Patton also helped protect some of the horses from the Spanish Riding School during World War II:

Alois Podhajsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
RESCUE OF THE WHITE MARES

It's an incredible story. :)

Edit:

That's the last from me, lol. I won't take this thread off course any longer.
     

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