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post #11 of 19 Old 09-28-2013, 03:11 PM
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very biased and no space at the end for comments, very much made you choose lesser of evils instead of against, neutral, or for something


I will leave you some of my thoughts though:

- race horses themselves MUST be treated well or they will not race as well, they are professional athletes and they are treated as such (except they do it for the joy instead of the $$)
- race horses MUST enjoy running and racing or they just won't perform as well as the horse beside them that does enjoy it
- yes I feel there might be an issue with overbreeding, but that is a horse world problem not just specific to the race horse industry
- I live in upstate NY so Saratoga isn't too far away and there is a harness track closer, every year at the local hunter show my wife & I help her cousins "run" there are a few horses off the track being retrained so it's not a race or death sentence
-one of my sister's has an ex-racehorse that is a very calm/level headed horse, old at 25+ but still LOVES to run
- you can look and say that there ARE terrible people in the racing industry, but there are also terrible people in government, zoos, grocery stores, auto dealerships... I would also like to point out that there are great people in all of those areas too (including horse racing and the government)
-Look at what lengths the owners of Barbaro went through to save him... that says something about the industry where if a trail horse had an injury that severe it would be the end no ifs ands or buts about it


So please look at the positives too, it will make for a much better paper
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post #12 of 19 Old 09-29-2013, 12:15 PM
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You say you want less biased answers than you would get from the horse racing community but in reality what you will get is less educated responses. Those of us in the industry have in depth knowledge of the negatives AND the positives. Re-read Tim's post above, much truth there!
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Unfortunately when peoples incomes rely on the racing industry they are probably less inclined to give an unbiased answer
I'm sure that the OP will welcome any polite posts outside of the poll that's been put up that are based on real life experience that will help her in her survey. I know there are many forum members who have OTTB's (ex-racehorses as we more commonly call them in the UK) that can share their thoughts.
I know for a fact that there are many first class yards in the UK where the horses are pampered and no expense is spared. I also know there are some really bad ones.
One of the biggest problems right now is that there are a lot of horses coming from racing yards with no place to go as they can't be slaughtered for meat and that is a concern for anyone that cares about horses.
In the UK there has actually been a 38% reduction in the number of foals bred for racing since 2008 which is a good thing
However there has been a 29% increase in horses reported to the passporting authority as 'dead' in just one year - 2010 to 2011 - many of them would have been unsound or old but many would have been unsuccessful so not worth keeping. Those figures also don't take into account how many are in Rescue homes run by charities.
I know that in the UK Horse Welfare Charities would like to see more of the money generated by the industry put into the care or euthanasia of unwanted racehorses
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post #13 of 19 Old 09-29-2013, 02:37 PM
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I work at a racetrack, and because of this I don't have a high view of the racing industry. That being said, I too think your survey is biased and I don't care to take it. It's not fair to lean on one side of the argument when you say you want a less biased view.
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post #14 of 19 Old 09-29-2013, 03:03 PM
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I find the implication of yours and the OP's that I (collectively-owners,breeders,trainers) of racehorses would be less than honest because of money to be less than polite.
There are many areas where I feel there is need for improvment in the indusrty. As was previously stated, you cannot beat or starve a horse into winning, it just doesn't work that way. You can, however, "dope" a horse. Either to mask pain issues or to enhance performance. Stricter enforcement and stiffer penalties are needed.
If you want fewer foals on the ground, which I agree with, you need to raise the purses for aged horses. The longer a horse races, the more they are proven or disproven and the less time they spend in the breeding barn. The results are less foals that are better conformed to hold up to the rigors of their racing and post racing careers. We recently retired our 10 yr old race mare, we "lost out" on probably 5 or 6 foals from her but when she's bred next spring we'll have a very good idea of what she shouid be able to produce.
There is big money and big comptition in every equine decipline. There are ethical and unethical owners/breeders/trainers in every decipline. And there are horses bred for every decipline that don't made the grade. Racing is not unique to these problems. So, I'll grant you this, if you go to someone in any decipline and ask them about banning their decipline, your probably going to get a little "attitude"
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post #15 of 19 Old 09-29-2013, 03:20 PM
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very biased and no space at the end for comments, very much made you choose lesser of evils instead of against, neutral, or for something


I will leave you some of my thoughts though:

- race horses themselves MUST be treated well or they will not race as well, they are professional athletes and they are treated as such (except they do it for the joy instead of the $$)
- race horses MUST enjoy running and racing or they just won't perform as well as the horse beside them that does enjoy it
- yes I feel there might be an issue with overbreeding, but that is a horse world problem not just specific to the race horse industry
- I live in upstate NY so Saratoga isn't too far away and there is a harness track closer, every year at the local hunter show my wife & I help her cousins "run" there are a few horses off the track being retrained so it's not a race or death sentence
-one of my sister's has an ex-racehorse that is a very calm/level headed horse, old at 25+ but still LOVES to run
- you can look and say that there ARE terrible people in the racing industry, but there are also terrible people in government, zoos, grocery stores, auto dealerships... I would also like to point out that there are great people in all of those areas too (including horse racing and the government)
-Look at what lengths the owners of Barbaro went through to save him... that says something about the industry where if a trail horse had an injury that severe it would be the end no ifs ands or buts about it


So please look at the positives too, it will make for a much better paper
There is so much truth to this, all the problems in the racing world are present in all disciplines and even in everyday life. Racers are just put under a magnifying glass due to the popularity of the sport. The survey was certainly biased and I think you would get better feedback if you kept a more open mind about it.
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post #16 of 19 Old 09-29-2013, 03:38 PM
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I'm sorry but I couldn't complete the survey...I work in racing, and have done for a number of years - I spent today at the races with my kids, who will grow up going and watching racing.

Try looking at what aspects of racing can be improved, rather than a flat out ban - because let's face it, it isn't ever going to happen.

Stop for a minute, open your mind, learn. You may not agree with what I say, I may not agree with what you say but we will both learn something new.
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post #17 of 19 Old 09-29-2013, 05:32 PM
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My only concern with racing is that the horses have a home to go to when they are done with their "career." If a high percentage of race horses get re-homed when their careers at the track are over, then yay!!!

If a high percentage go to slaughter then racing is a wasteful, cruel sport.

I personally don't know what the re-homing rate is, so I can't say. I just don't want excess horses dumped like garbage at auctions because they aren't fast enough or have a minor unsoundness, know what I mean?

People need to be responsible with their horses, and those who breed bear an extra responsibility to do what is right by their horses. That goes for any part of the horse industry including racing.
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post #18 of 19 Old 09-29-2013, 08:48 PM
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Less TBs end up in slaughter than Quarter horses do, and 2 Canadian slaughter plants have stopped taking TBs due to the really negative press when they do show up. The TB and STB race tracks have been working to put in a zero tolerance for shipping to slaughter, and yes, tracks have stripped trainers and owners of their license for knowingly shipping horses to slaughter.

Are we perfect? No, but we are working hard to get things a lot better.
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post #19 of 19 Old 09-30-2013, 08:25 PM
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I answered other in terms of problems with OTTB's. The main and only problem I see is that people don't do their homework when they get one.

And the survey said I had not answered....so had to pick one.

Biased and poorly designed too.

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