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        06-10-2011, 09:04 PM
    Actually, Iseul, yes, if these are in fact her real words, they are not those of a doctor, and frankly, I suspect they are not and that these are just messages from someone he has pissed off (there are plenty). And I think any woman who watches his videos should be angry at his misogeny, just to begin.

    I just wanted to use this to redirect attention to the issue of helmets and how ONE SHOULD HAVE A CHOICE, yes, but I think to give the impression that only a foolish rider wears a helmet is bad, bad stuff.

    I don't know. Maybe those foolish enough to follow a fool deserve the conk on the noggin. But some of them have children too, and beginning riders and kids need to always wear helmets.

    My original post DANGEROUS ADVICE can be referenced for my more detailed argument against Gore's false logic and reasoning.
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        06-10-2011, 09:15 PM
    I don't ride with helmets. I would, however, make it a point to wear one around this asshat.
        06-10-2011, 09:29 PM
    Green Broke
    I do agree that even though everyone should have a choice to or to not wear a helmet, his telling peoplethat only fools wear them is wrong.
    And although I wouldn't -make- my child (if I ever have one) always wear a helmet (after they've learned the basics on how to stop, turn, and back a horse, along with how to fall, I probably would suggest anyone else to make their kids. I'm an old-school rider, but that's my choice for me to make, everyone else I suggest a helmet. I'm not nearly as cautious as I should be, but oh well.
    I would also most likely make it a point to wear a helmet in front on him though, ha.
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        06-10-2011, 09:35 PM
    And this is really not to start an argument, but what do you mean, Iseul, by "old school?" Again, this sort of language sets up the idea of "cool/classic" and "careful" being at olds. How is "old school" at odds with helmets?
        06-10-2011, 09:39 PM
    And let me throw a very easy twist on Gore's (il)logic:

    People who don't wear helmets feel invulnerable to start with and thus will take more chances.

    People who wear helmets will remember that accidents can happen and will be more careful. (That is the effect mine has on me!)

    Now, I am not saying this is true of all people. But I can flip Gore's thinking around to fit another purpose and say the exact opposite and have it make just as much (and I think more) sense.
        06-10-2011, 09:43 PM
    Green Broke
    I didn't mean to word it as so that it comes off as such, but it's more of the preference of a hat over a helmet as my meaning. I was trying to word something that said I would rather just a hat or nothing over a helmet, and I guess I was trying to give some sort of image..
    I guess it didn't do what I meant for the words to mean, lol. I'm extremely sore and slightly tired, so I do apologise for anything that makes no or little sense (such as my statement and possibly this post...).
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        06-10-2011, 09:51 PM
    I understand, Iseul. And I totally think you deserve a choice. But I think you did communicate, intentionally or not, an idea that is in the air, often subliminally: "helmets are not cool, and real cowboys don't wear helmets." That is why I think a pro-helmet campaign is necessary (WITHOUT CREATING LAWS, by the way! It should remain a choice.) Helmets need a better image.
        06-10-2011, 10:17 PM
    ^^^ Helmets have tons of supporters. Those who choose to refuse can expect (from what I've seen on this forum) to be called stupid, selfish, criminal, guilty, etc.

    And the truth, from what I've seen - which is pretty limited, I admit - real cowboys do NOT wear helmets. At least, the score is 0% in my experience.

    Does that mean someone should NOT wear a helmet? Nope. The last cowboy I saw was a month ago, while I was out jogging. He was a Mexican, and I don't know Spanish, so we did a bit of sign language (he was looking for cattle) and went on our separate ways...me on foot, him on horseback with a straw hat. And no, there is no way I would ever consider riding in that country without a helmet! Shoot, I've broken a toe and had some impressive bruises just JOGGING on those trails.

    Most of the helmet debate is based on anecdotal evidence, so making an informed decision can be a challenge. Riding horses is a risk in and of itself, and each person needs to decide for themselves what level of risk they choose to take.
        06-10-2011, 10:19 PM
    Green Broke
    While also completely agreeing with what you just said, there's one thing I'd also like to comment on. From what I've seen, "real cowboys" (on their ranches running cattle and such), actually don't wear helmets, lol. :p
    But I do get your point and agree, not wearing a helmet doesn't make me (or anyone else) "cooler" than someone who chooses to.
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        06-10-2011, 10:20 PM
    I used to watch his videos occassionally, but I got sick of his attitude. He can't seem to discern between a personal attack and a critique. I've seen many commenters leave viable questions for him that he replies to negatively, and he's said before he blocks anyone who leaves comments for him that he disagrees with. Sounds like he needs to head back to preschool and learn a little about good sportsmanship.

    This is definitely the last straw for me, regaurding the helmet issue. Although over-confidence is a possible side effect, helmets are in no way dangerous. They save lives.

    The bottom line is, any living thing can be unpredictable. You might be a horse whisperer, an animal behaviourist, an olympic medalist or a freaking psychic, even, but things will not always go 100% the way you expect. Anything alive has the potential to disregaurd what it normally does and try something new. A horse is perfectly alive, and it has nearly 900 lbs over the average human. Not to mention it can move a lot faster.

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