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post #41 of 53 Old 06-12-2011, 10:52 PM
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LOL @ straightjackets!
I can just see it on the news..... "Sharp blows to the head can cause brain injury and a helmet may protect your head! News at 11!"
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After a ride tonight (in my helmet), watching those who did and didn't wear, I finally figured it out. And yes, I WILL tell you what I finally figured out! (Sorry, that's from another post...)

Good hair: no helmet. Not so good hair: helmet. Just got a cool new hat?": no helmet. Wear the same dirty Broncos hat day in and day out? (no, I am not a fan; I just like the horse...): helmet.

This seems a strange twist on Darwinism: the steady weeding out of the cool and well-coifed and the preservation of split ends and a lack of fashion sense. (Perhaps the Bill Gates gene has something to do with all this...)

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post #43 of 53 Old 06-12-2011, 11:31 PM
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I didn't read everyone's posts, but I will say that wearing a helmet DOES NOT make people over-confident. I worked at a Girls Scout horse camp last fall and EVERYONE there is required to wear a helmet when working in the arena, even us adults who knew what we were doing. I don't recall seeing any of the girls (or adults for that matter) take unnecessary chances or risks as a result of wearing a helmet and it making them feel more confident. Usually the girls would do something stupid because they thought they knew what they were doing and didn't.

Also, I was nearly thrown from a horse yesterday while coming back from a trail ride because some idiot on a motorcycle didn't think we'd cleared the road quickly enough and revved his engine at us (and had sped up so he would reach us just as we got to the edge of the road). I was wearing a helmet. Not because it was required, but because I was on a strange horse. I'm very glad I was wearing that helmet, even though I didn't actually need it. It made me feel more secure in the knowledge that if I did come off the horse, I wouldn't have cracked my head open on the asphalt. I didn't take any unnecessary risks or chances because I was wearing a helmet.

The guy in the vid sounds like a complete loon, to me. His whole rant about helmet manufacturers pushing the use of helmets left me scratching my head. At the GS horse camp, it wasn't a helmet manufacturer that told us to wear them, it was the GS governing board. Yesterday when I was riding, it wasn't a helmet manufacturer that told me to wear a helmet, it was a personal decision because I was riding an unfamiliar horse. *shrug*

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post #44 of 53 Old 06-13-2011, 01:25 AM
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At the stable where I take lessons, no one wears a helmet. And no one has special hair - certainly not a 53 years old guy who cuts his own hair! I suppose I could ask around, but I've never heard of anyone dying there, and the stable has been around since I was a kid. Of course, the norm is riding in an arena or down the wash, rarely at anything faster than a trot and I've never seen anyone jumping stuff there.

And I've met a number of old cowboys, and none of them wore helmets while working. I've met folks (two) who had their backs broken, and one who had a broken pelvis. I've met a lot who had broken arms or ribs.

I usually wear a helmet, but I don't understand the disdain for those who do not.
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post #45 of 53 Old 06-13-2011, 01:34 AM
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bsms I don't think there is disdain for those who don't wear helmets. My personal issue is

1) people who don't wear helmets mocking on people that do as though they are wusses or not real horsemen. I saw this a LOT when I was riding western. The snicker, chuckle, "Yer not a real cowboy" attitude. Like I said, helmets are worn in many sports, so why NOT riding horses?

2) my other issue is the utter denial that helmets can save you from injury. For some reason the non-helmet group like to point out accidents like Jessica and say, "Seeeee? She was wearing and helmet and still died!" as though anyone has ever said that a helmet will stop you from being hurt or killed in 100% of cases.

I used to hate wearing a helmet. I wear it now. I can't swear that I'll wear it all the time. Maybe I will. I'm sure there will be times I won't. But dang, I'd never deny the safety of it and I'd never mock someone for choosing to wear one all the time.
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post #46 of 53 Old 06-13-2011, 02:29 AM
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Its wierd that when hes filming its of horses not of him???huh
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post #47 of 53 Old 06-13-2011, 04:28 AM Thread Starter
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BSMS: I have yet to see (in either of these helmet posts) any disdain for those who didn't wear a helmet. I have seen a whole lot of people who were pro-choice who did wear one.

And I am with HeelsDown: I have seen the disdain run a lot more in the other direction (not here, necessarily, but in "real life.")

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^^ There are a number of threads on the subject, and many condemn those who do not wear helmets & support laws requiring anyone under 18 to wear a helmet anytime they are on a horse.

"adults choose to endanger their kids by not making them wear a helmet"

"under 18's IMHO it should be mandatory to wear a helmet at all times while mounted, no exceptions"

"it'd be a little weird to see someone without a helmet...I think she's crazy"

"not wearing a helmet is one of the silliest things you can do"

"I think not wearing a helmet is pretty stupid"

"It may not be an ego thing for you, but I think it is for a lot of people."

"I HATE when people say 'its my head, I can do what I want.' that is very selfish and immature IMHO."

"I admit I dont always wear a body protector and in all honesty that's just me being ignorant! But I would NEVER ride without a hat! Ever! And people that do ride without one its your choice, ride at your own risk, but its pure ignorance!!"

"Again ALL kids should wear helmets!!!!!!"

"I agree; children under a certain age should be required to wear helmets, regardless of the discipline."

"I believe that helmets and children shouldn't even be a conversation. It should be required whether they are show jumping, running barrels or doing walk trot pleasure."

"I firmly belive that helmets should become mandatory, if everyone is required to wear one then the image of the helmet will change and it will cease being "cool" not to wear one."

"The sorrow and guilt this family is going to endure is traumatizing."

"Why not make children wear helmets? We make children wear helmets while riding bikes"

"Good hair: no helmet. Not so good hair: helmet. Just got a cool new hat?": no helmet...This seems a strange twist on Darwinism: the steady weeding out of the cool and well-coifed and the preservation of split ends and a lack of fashion sense. (Perhaps the Bill Gates gene has something to do with all this...)"

Those are comments made in the last couple of weeks.

I require my daughter to wear a helmet. If someone wants to ride my horse or on my property, they will wear a helmet. But I continue to find it odd that people strongly support allowing kids to jump, but want to ban kids from wearing a cowboy hat - when jumping is much higher risk.

Happily, I'm no longer a teen and I don't have to deal with the social nonsense that goes on in high schools and, apparently, 'barns'. I would be furious if someone gave my daughter flack for wearing a helmet. But I also resent people saying it is ignorant to wear a ball cap riding western, and I'm tired of nanny-state laws like mandatory bicycle helmets.
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For my "Bill Gates" comment, I will say I was kidding...(sort of) I do think there is often (though not always) a fashion thing involved...

and as to children, I too think they should always have one. I don't see how this condemns adults that don't wear one...

for one, I don't condemn anyone for not wearing one. And I don't see my thinking it is better to wear one as a condemnation
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post #50 of 53 Old 06-14-2011, 09:23 PM
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At our last boarding barn, it was a dude ranch of sorts and the employ quite possibly the stupidest most idiotic city slicker jack arses around. This one guy there is just a creepy disgusting pervert, and a grade A moron to boot.

He would always harass me for wearing a helmet on my green broke 3 year old while he was safe on his bombproof dude horse that someone ELSE trained. I finally got so fed up he asked me for the dozenth time "Why are you wearing that stupid helmet?" and I replied with "so I don't end up being as much of a blithering idiot as you are."

He quit asking after that.

I hope God tells her to smash her computer with a sledgehammer.

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