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    02-23-2012, 08:50 PM
  #111
Weanling
Having been bitten twice by dogs, and being a dog owner myself, I have ZERO seecond thoughts about turning any agressive dog inside out with my shotgun.
Shoot, shovel, shut up.
And yes, one of the dogs that bit me was my own, and yes, she got lead poisoning on the spot.
That was after she showed aggression towards the girl I was dating at the time, though mild.
If my own dog showed aggression towards me, the keeper of the kibble/bearer of the boneys, she would show it to anyone. That is unacceptable. Period.
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    02-23-2012, 09:16 PM
  #112
Foal
OK, as a lifelong dog trainer/handler/owner, this is something that's always puzzled me.

Horse people are completely comfortable with half-ton prey animals, possessed of lightning reflexes, who could squash them like an insect and go right back to eating grass a second later.

But y'all are ready to haul out the automatic weapons over a dog?

Nope, I'll never understand it.

But really, most of the time, just be proactive and pleasant and everything will be fine.

I live in the land of the free-range canine, where no one has ever heard of a fence, much less built one. Here's what I do:

*Clop-clop-clippity-clop* Oh, look, horse, do you see that dog there? He's quite handsome, isn't he?

BARKBARKBARKBARK

Oh, you must be the watch dog! Look what a nice job you're doing!

99.5% of the time: *wagwagwag* *big goofy canine smile* Why, yes, I am and thank you for noticing! You and your big dog have a nice day now!

Yes, there is that 0.5% of the time that things turn out differently. In my case, in about a half-century, that's amounted to two dogs. In neither case was anyone, canine, equine, or human, injured. And no firearms or other weapons were necessary!
     
    02-23-2012, 09:35 PM
  #113
Weanling
While a horse may bite, and definitely can kill, it is still a prey animal, and generally are defensive. Note I said GENERALLY. There are definitely some aggressive horses out there.
Canines, however, are a predator.
They have instinctive pack tendencies, and have been known to go after animals much larger than themselves from a hunting instinct.
Whether its a domestic dog, coyote, wolf, coydog, or otherwise, the basic instincts are genetic, and irrefutable.
Some folks are more fearful of dogs than others, and some are less.
Some tolerate more than others.
     
    02-23-2012, 09:42 PM
  #114
Weanling
I run into loose dogs all the time when out riding. I always tell them in a stern voice to "Go Home." I will get lounder and meaner the closer they get. I will slap my reins against my leg and charge them with my horse. It has always worked or at least it worked for 35+ years.

Twice in the last year I have been attacked by agressive dogs while out on my horse. The first was a pitbull who got a hold of my horse - it took us 45 minutes to get 40 feet to the safety of home - owner paid $1,000 fine to the Animal Control but the same dog went after a greener horse and rider two months later and the rider was hospitalized... The dog is still there, but the stable owner now watches for it with a loaded shotgun.

Just before Xmass, I was out with my gelding, ponying a two year old filly and a green horse/rider combo. We were attacked by two Rotties. They did not back down until I had trampled one with my horse, but they took a chunk out of my filly and the other rider got dumped. Someone saw the attack and called 911 - who happened to have a unit just a few blocks away. It seems those same dogs had attacked a child earlier that day. The cops were there to catch the dogs and save us.

For Xmass my husband bought me a BB gun that is light and quick to use. When I can afford it, I will switch to a 9mm. I am not goign to die because some dog won't stop when I yell at them.
     
    02-23-2012, 09:48 PM
  #115
Foal
Im sure you alredy have plenty ideas but I just want to say when im on my horse (i know you were not) I turn around and chase the dog and every one has tucked its tail and ran! But I gess if your horse is scared that wouldnt work!
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    02-23-2012, 10:30 PM
  #116
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Originally Posted by FirstLightFarm    
But y'all are ready to haul out the automatic weapons over a dog?

Nope, I'll never understand it.
You don't have to understand it.

You don't have to like it.

You don't have to accept it.

But you will tolerate it because it is the law. And you will tolerate it because others haven't had your happy experiences.

Nuff said.
     
    02-23-2012, 10:36 PM
  #117
Yearling
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Originally Posted by FirstLightFarm    
OK, as a lifelong dog trainer/handler/owner, this is something that's always puzzled me.

Horse people are completely comfortable with half-ton prey animals, possessed of lightning reflexes, who could squash them like an insect and go right back to eating grass a second later.

But y'all are ready to haul out the automatic weapons over a dog?

Nope, I'll never understand it.

But really, most of the time, just be proactive and pleasant and everything will be fine.

I live in the land of the free-range canine, where no one has ever heard of a fence, much less built one. Here's what I do:

*Clop-clop-clippity-clop* Oh, look, horse, do you see that dog there? He's quite handsome, isn't he?

BARKBARKBARKBARK

Oh, you must be the watch dog! Look what a nice job you're doing!

99.5% of the time: *wagwagwag* *big goofy canine smile* Why, yes, I am and thank you for noticing! You and your big dog have a nice day now!

Yes, there is that 0.5% of the time that things turn out differently. In my case, in about a half-century, that's amounted to two dogs. In neither case was anyone, canine, equine, or human, injured. And no firearms or other weapons were necessary!
I've owned dogs all my life (even before I can remember we have pictures of me with a Border Collie) and horses for 80% of my life. My horses and my dogs have always gotten along great. My Malamute, back in the late 70's would run and jump into the saddle with me and ride. The horses were fine with that.
It's not the barking dog that's a problem. Even my current filly will do nothing more than look their direction while on a lead behind us. It's the dogs that feel they have to drive off my horse. They'll come out and get in front and back. They know the routine for engaging larger and potentially a more dangerous animal. I really don't feel that any horse in a domestic environment should have to put up with that. If the owner of the dog feels that his dogs have the right to run unchecked to harrass and attack my horse, then thankfully the law feels that I have the right to defend my horse. And while I often do not have a firearm I can almost always find something that will inflict significant pain. Metal clasp on the end of a lead does wonders if nothing else is available. If the lovely little guard dog wants to stay in it's yard, or 20 yards away and bark then that's fine. My horse won't care. Of course if my mastiff is with me she might (and has) take issue with an agressively barking dog, as she can be very devensive. She'll stay with us unless she needs to defend and on a couple of occassions the friendly little guard dog has elected to engage her to prove the it can drive us off. Fortunately in both cases the other dog didn't fight long and ran home. My girl isn't going to chase them beyond a few yards. But since can't always count of being that lucky every time and a 150 lbs (she's a smallish mastiff) of agressive canine can do a lot of damage before I could pull her off I don't take her with me on rides where I think there might me loose dogs (so she doesn't go on many rides away from the farm). She won't bother a horse, she quite likes them, or dogs that stay in their yard and just bark, but heaven help an attacking dog. She'll mostly ignore them until the come out to the road and make a move towards us.
So I have to be responsible by leaving my dog home, because of people who can't control their sweet little guard dog.
Maybe the water out there creates sweet little dogs that only bark at a distance, but I've dealt with to many of them biting my horse's legs so I don't have a polite attitude about dogs coming after my horses.
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    02-23-2012, 11:08 PM
  #118
Weanling
It does merit mention that I am more than willing to defend myself, regardless of species.
Whether it be a dog, cat, horse, or human, or other creature, anything that threatens my well being has fair opportunity to mind it's own business, and be on it's merry way.
I neither look for nor encourage confrontation or hostilities in any fashion intentionally.
That being said, I am willing to use whatever level of force necessary to preserve and protect my well being and that of those in my care.
I make zero excuses, I make zero apologies, and have zero regret after the fact.
I love every one of God's creatures.
He gave me gifts and blessings that few possess.
One of those gifts is excellent marksmanship.
The way I see it, if something is threatening me in a fashion where I fear for my life, it has signed its own death warrant, and has been brought to me to have the action fulfilled.
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    02-24-2012, 05:47 PM
  #119
Foal
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Originally Posted by mildot    
You don't have to understand it.

You don't have to like it.

You don't have to accept it.

But you will tolerate it because it is the law. And you will tolerate it because others haven't had your happy experiences.

Nuff said.
Don't know where the fruitbat this response came from. I'm insinuating that you're overreacting and skeered of dogs but I'm not saying you're breaking the law.

Tolerate it? Dude, you got me confused with somebody who cares. Do whatever you want. I'm all for every single freakin' amendment to the Constitution. I just believe, like Sheriff Andy Taylor, that most of the time a gun is unnecessary. But you and Barney and anybody else who feels safer with one, y'all go right on ahead. Just lemme know where y'all are so I can stay out of range.
     
    02-24-2012, 05:55 PM
  #120
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Originally Posted by FirstLightFarm    
Just lemme know where y'all are so I can stay out of range.
You'll know from the sound of gunfire.
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