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  • Can you shoot agressive dogs
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    02-20-2012, 08:53 PM
  #31
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The horse may have reacted more explosively due to the size of the dog; a Great Dane is more the size of a pony or mini, and our horses are really scared of minis.
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    02-20-2012, 09:10 PM
  #32
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
It may be legal to shoot a dog that aggressively attacks you, but if you can do so without actually killing it, wouldn't you prefer that? Such as an airsoft pellet gun (don't make much noise so maybe wouldn't spook the horse so badly).
That is actually illegal to intentionally hurt a dog. Yeh I know sounds screwy but that is the law.
Recent case in VA guy shot a neighbors dog that had killed his chickens. Only problem was he used number 8 shot.
Prosecution proved he was knowledgeable about guns, knew about ammo, and intentionally hurt the dog. SO guilty of animal cruelty and stuck with vet bills. While it woulda been perfectly legal if he'd had used buckshot ,It is illegal to cause undue pain and suffering even if the dog is attacking your livestock.
So moral of the story is NO you never shoot to injure,
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    02-20-2012, 09:32 PM
  #33
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Originally Posted by BaileyJo    
But just to go off and shoot a dog who is barking at you is excessive.
Exaggeration and hyperbole do not help you make your case.

Did you even read the law link I posted?
     
    02-20-2012, 09:35 PM
  #34
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
It may be legal to shoot a dog that aggressively attacks you, but if you can do so without actually killing it, wouldn't you prefer that? Such as an airsoft pellet gun (don't make much noise so maybe wouldn't spook the horse so badly).
I would prefer to be left alone by dogs and their owners. And I would prefer they pay a heavy price for the behavior of their obnoxious and aggressive animals.

I have had personal, unpleasant experiences with this topic which is why I no longer give any quarter or mercy.

That's all I will say about that.
     
    02-20-2012, 10:14 PM
  #35
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Originally Posted by Joe4d    
That is actually illegal to intentionally hurt a dog. Yeh I know sounds screwy but that is the law.
Recent case in VA guy shot a neighbors dog that had killed his chickens. Only problem was he used number 8 shot.
Prosecution proved he was knowledgeable about guns, knew about ammo, and intentionally hurt the dog. SO guilty of animal cruelty and stuck with vet bills. While it woulda been perfectly legal if he'd had used buckshot ,It is illegal to cause undue pain and suffering even if the dog is attacking your livestock.
So moral of the story is NO you never shoot to injure,


That's pretty crazy. Those lawyers no doubt figured it out .
One could just as easily injure a dog when using real buckshot if you didnt' get off a good shot, and then , I guess they could sue you. Sure can't seem to win on that.
     
    02-20-2012, 10:15 PM
  #36
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Originally Posted by Joe4d    
That is actually illegal to intentionally hurt a dog. Yeh I know sounds screwy but that is the law.
Recent case in VA guy shot a neighbors dog that had killed his chickens. Only problem was he used number 8 shot.
Prosecution proved he was knowledgeable about guns, knew about ammo, and intentionally hurt the dog. SO guilty of animal cruelty and stuck with vet bills. While it woulda been perfectly legal if he'd had used buckshot ,It is illegal to cause undue pain and suffering even if the dog is attacking your livestock.
So moral of the story is NO you never shoot to injure,
classic case of a law made for good reasons that forces bad results. They were so concerned with making a law to protect a dog from being hurt. They make it illegal to deliberately cause an injury so that the only recourse is to deliberately kill the animal. Wonder how many dog owners would rather have their animal just hurt vs killed? While I'd understand if a neighbor killed my mastiff is she attacked their stock, I would personally rather she got sent home with a load of #8 in her butt. Fortunately I don't have to worry about it, because she knows to leave things alone and actually enjoys being around stock.

I'd have probably won the case in my shooting (if there had been a case), because I was hunting and my prey was small game, so that's the kind of shot I had vs activly loading light to only cause injury (#8 shot won't do for rabbit but the the #6 will and it put hurting on the dog). Lucky for the dog I wasn't deer hunting.

Loved that mare. Best job of training I ever did. She was use to dogs barking. Even when the dog bit her she didn't spook. She certainly kicked the ---- out of one of the dogs and kept kicking as they kept trying for her legs. But it was the shotgun blast and yalping shot dog that caused them to break off.
     
    02-20-2012, 10:16 PM
  #37
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I've had some bad experiences with aggresive dogs off lease, too, but fortuneatly, they are the minority. However, I still see people walking their dogs in the equestrian park off leash (against rules.) wish I could somehow fine them and make it stick, but I cannot do more than yell at them.
     
    02-20-2012, 10:18 PM
  #38
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Love the mace idea...my son carries a bb pistol...
     
    02-20-2012, 10:21 PM
  #39
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I am an animal lover to the core, but when push comes to shove I would much rather injure and/or kill a dog than have that same dog injure or kill my horse or myself. I use only what force is appropriate for the situation but would have zero hesitation to use lethal force if that is what I deemed necessary for the situation at hand.
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    02-20-2012, 10:22 PM
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I've had some bad experiences with aggresive dogs off lease, too, but fortuneatly, they are the minority. However, I still see people walking their dogs in the equestrian park off leash (against rules.) wish I could somehow fine them and make it stick, but I cannot do more than yell at them.
I'd do what I've done to stray dogs in the fields where I ride. I sic Calypso on them. If she catches them and stomps them into the dirt....oh well....horses being horses I guess.
     

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