SaddleDragon I didn't say the bridoon could be used on it's own as though acting as a snaffle bridle - but you absolutely do not have to ride off the curb when using a double bridle, I like to have just about a loop in my curb, just a very light contact and only take a little more on it when I feel the need to refine an aid or asking for a little more fine tuning for a movement the horse is finding difficult in the collected paces. But yes, I am referring to a dressage type double bridle now showing. I don't use my bit/s to position the horse's head, I use them to contain energy I have created in the hind end and refine the energy and direction given from my seat. In fact, I prefer not to use my reins for any more than containing that energy, and occasionally on certain horses that are not quite up to the standard of fine tuning to respond to seat only, I will take a little more contact and use the bit in conjunction with seat to give the aid. It is only even used to strengthen the seat aid, which should be your initial aid anyway.