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Is it easier to canter in 2-point than sitting?

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        04-10-2014, 12:34 PM
    Congratulations to your instructor! Boy or girl?

    I am not one who can just hop on a work bareback, or even stirrup less, to improve my seat. I could do the stirrupless for a bit, in an arena, but out on the trail, I am not willing to tack any extra chances of falling off, and my age is such that I think much more carefully about that possibility. So, it's easy for some folks to say "ride bareback all day", or ride stirrup-less, but I know my own limits, and i'll figure out a way to work within them.

    However, a lungline lesson might help you quite a bit. Either on your mare, or on another heavy horse.

    I sometimes start out in half seat at the canter (I am no good at a full two point), and as the hrose settles, and I feel ready, I ease back into a seated canter.

    Things that help are to be sure you breathing, and to look up and far off, instead of down at your horse. But, if it makes you feel better, I am working on the same problems you have (except that Z does not run away from the leg). It's just a matter of time and repetition.
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        04-10-2014, 01:09 PM
    She had a boy! And he was two weeks early, so I showed up for my lesson, tacked up my horse, and stood there until someone bothered to tell me. Lol

    I'm going to try and canter with my mare in 2-point tomorrow in the small riding ring. I do 2 point all the time, over small jumps, slaloms, small circles, big circles, very fast trot, etc. I think it will be easier. I like the idea of starting out in the two point and then slowly easing back into a 3-point position. This gives me hope!
        04-10-2014, 01:10 PM
    I would love to do longe lining with my mare, but she's terrible at it (she can be trained but I haven't bothered to do that yet.) I think it would be terrifying for both of us until she is better trained.
        04-10-2014, 01:13 PM
    Originally Posted by bsms    
    I say yes. This is from an old thread:

    Riding the canter in half seat

    I'll add that I miss seeing maura's posts on HF......I often found her advice very helpful. Allison's posts #9 & #14 on that thread are also very good.

    Some horses have trots that are very tough to sit. Our little BLM mustang has a trot that makes me want to pee blood, but his canter is glass smooth. Others trot nicely and have brutal canters.

    What worked for me in learning to canter was to start in two point if needed, then 'half seat, and then 5/8 seat, 3/4 seat, 7/8 seat...

    I think the reason is that once the horse was moving at a canter, I could spend a few strides getting the rhythm down so that I could move with him instead of struggling to find the rhythm. If I lose the rhythm during a canter, I'll go to a half seat, pause, and find the rhythm again. And if in doubt, I see nothing wrong with going to a halfseat and sparing the horse's back my jarring butt slamming down on him (or her). It certainly is not traditional western riding, but my skill level requires I do what works and spares the horse's back, and then try to get better with time. Besides, even in a western saddle, I still tend to ride a 'poor-man's' version of a forward seat.
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        04-10-2014, 05:15 PM
    I find 2 point much easier, but then my hips and lower back are not at all supple. Ultimately you have to learn to sit the canter properly. Try starting in 2 point, and as you go along, let gravity ease you into the saddle for a few strides before popping back up into 2 point. It takes any tensing out of the equation since you're basically letting yourself off the hook by being able to get back up out of the saddle at any time. If you keep alternating, you'll start to feel the motion better.
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        04-10-2014, 05:25 PM
    Bc your horse rushes I believe that riding the canter in 2-point will help YOU to gain some confidence. But, really, you should be working to get HIM to slow down and be more obedient, especially since his canter is frightening you. You already know that he could become out of control, and it is natural to be afraid of this.
    IF possible, could you ride a more sane horse for awhile? If so, I would suggest riding one full week on a more controllable horse at the walk, in a saddle, without stirrups. You will teach yourself what it feels like to sit deeply and move in rhythm with the horse and THAT will help you to move in sync at the canter.
        04-10-2014, 05:46 PM
    I think it depends on the horse as well.. when I got my first horse I couldn't canter for the life of me, she was very short backed and had a very choppy canter, so I learnt to canter in 2-point, it wasn't till almost 18 months later that I could finally sit her canter.

    On my gelding, he has very long strides and is super comfortable, his canter just sucks me into the saddle, and if I want to ride 2-point, I actually have to work for it.. But this is a horse who's trot is the easiest to sit as well.

    I have only ridden my mare a couple times even though I've had her for over a year now, but the few times I have ridden her it's been much easier to ride 2-point and stay secure, though I can sit her canter my legs flail about and it's just generally not a pretty sight haha
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        04-10-2014, 06:44 PM
    Two point is technically more work because you are suspending your body weight up, sitting the canter, well you sit on your butt, which is pretty easy for most of us. For me, sitting a canter is enjoyable, I sit deep, relax and enjoy the movement and feel my horse pushing from behind, his back muscles meeting my calf muscles. With two point, there's no sitting back, although I enjoy riding two point, it's more work.
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        04-11-2014, 06:41 AM
    I have used a more relaxed horse before and I can canter on him. My mare is very short backed (very very) and she wasn't cantered much by her last owner for 3 years and who knows before that how much. So it's both me and her that are the issue. I need to learn how to ride a more short-backed horse with balance and confidence. I was hoping doing it in 2-point would work and it seems like it might, from the feedback here. I do 2-point work a lot, so I'm confident I can do that, at least at a very fast trot.

    The expert rider who works with her on the weekends can sit her canter fine, but she does have to work with my girl on being more relaxed. As my mare gets more exhausted, she gets stressed and then rushes. Kind of a weird reaction, but then again, she's a pretty unique girl. :)
        04-11-2014, 04:39 PM
    Well, I did it! I cantered today in 2-point or more like half-seat position. It was much better than sitting. I wasn't perfect, of course, but it was better and definitely more comfortable for both of us.

    Now I just have to figure out how to stop leaning so far forward. Lol

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