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post #11 of 20 Old 03-31-2008, 01:10 PM
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Well I took it as you can still use 2 hands and an o or d ring when the horse was six.

I suppose I should read more carefully. I usually just skim through these as fast as I can.
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post #12 of 20 Old 03-31-2008, 07:43 PM
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This should be ok. I used one like this for a long time on my horse. He should respond to it.
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post #13 of 20 Old 03-31-2008, 07:46 PM Thread Starter
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This should be ok. I used one like this for a long time on my horse. He should respond to it.
I'm not a huge fan of twisted snaffles though...I've seen a horse (at an old barn) get his mouth ripped (literally ripped...was bleeding and needed stitched) because of the bit. If that's the closest I will use it, but I've also seen that most horses (at least the ones at the stables) don't like the twisted
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Hi, I ride both English and Western and have taught both in Cali over the past 3 years. You mention you want your horse to respond better? This may sound strange but go with me here - try a bitless bridle, not one with poll pressure, just a dually halter of one that put soft pressure across the nose. I've used them on horses with serious problems (running off, bucking, rearing ect) and it's amazing how much your horse listens to your other aids when the issue of a bit is removed. If your horse is trained western and knows how to listen to you seat and leg aids it should't be a problem. The first thing I do when training a difficult horse is remove the bit and work from there. It's perfectly acceptable in the showing world and much more comfortable for the horse.
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Just to let you know, this thread is two years old, and the only member on this thread who still regularly posts is Delete, I think.
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post #16 of 20 Old 12-12-2010, 04:41 PM
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Ha ha. Newbie mistake! Thanks.
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The difference between a snaffle and a Curb is that a snaffle is made to be direct reined and a curb is not. They are designed to use neck reining.

Snaffles are not western bit. Most horses even western horses are started in a snaffle b/c they do not know how to neck rein yet. A western horse past the age of 5 (and in some events never) can not be shown in a snaffle. They must be shown one handed in a curb.

Difference is how they work and apply pressure.

Also a bit is only as harsh as the riders hands. I can make a snaffle just as harsh as I can any other bit. It is all in the riders hands and how they use them.

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Hi, I ride both English and Western and have taught both in Cali over the past 3 years. You mention you want your horse to respond better? This may sound strange but go with me here - try a bitless bridle, not one with poll pressure, just a dually halter of one that put soft pressure across the nose. I've used them on horses with serious problems (running off, bucking, rearing ect) and it's amazing how much your horse listens to your other aids when the issue of a bit is removed. If your horse is trained western and knows how to listen to you seat and leg aids it should't be a problem. The first thing I do when training a difficult horse is remove the bit and work from there. It's perfectly acceptable in the showing world and much more comfortable for the horse.
No it is not. There are no shows that allow a bitless bridle to be used. There are no western events. Some English events will allow a hack but not a bitless bridle.

If you want a horse to be lighter start with your hands not the bit. It is not the bit that makes a horse light it is the riders hands.

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I'm guessing you live and compete in America? I'm in England at the moment and the rules are slightly different over here. Bitless bridles are acceptable in all events on the English show circuit other than equitation - in which a snaffle must be used, (to my knowledge.) It is frowned upon - but acceptable.
Western is not as popular over here so the events tend to be for up and coming riders and horses rather than for fierce competition and so many ride two handed rather than neck reining. I personally compete in novice reining patterns with a young, inexperienced horse, neck reining with a bitless bridle. Obviously at a higher level the usual rules apply.
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Yes I am in America. Most here on this forum are. If you are showing reining you must not be showing in an NRHA Sanctioned show. If you where a bitless bridle would not be allowed at any level. If you are showing a schooling show then there are no rules other then the ones the ones that are set by the people doing the show.

If they let you and the horse work in a bitless bridle go for it. However if you are looking at resale of that horse or a higher level of showing they will need to be in a bit and working well in it.

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