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    08-14-2011, 09:58 PM
  #11
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Originally Posted by lubylol    
thanks allison :) that was really helpful. And when me and my friend are just playing around at the barn I've had my stirrups all the way down to pretend I was riding western (we both used to ride hardcore western lol) so what would be the correct leg to fake my horse into getting all dressagy? Anddd also lol, how can I get him to get into some extension and shortening with his strides?

And are there any other maneuvers I should start teaching Cowboy now for dressage?
You don't have to have mile long stirrups. Too often I see people riding with stirrups that are so long they are unable to use their leg effectively. I usually school where the stirrup hit at the bottom of my ankle when my legs are dangling.

No faking the dressagy stuff. A real key is to always make sure your horse is going forward. I find lots of transitions between gaits help. I also do lots of serpentines. When you go to shorten strides, make sure you use tons of forward leg. Otherwise, the horse might just slow down (not shorten stride) and fall onto their forehand.

Check out Jave Savoie's youtube teaching videos. They are well done.
     
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    08-14-2011, 09:59 PM
  #12
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Originally Posted by lubylol    
ANDD jeez lol this is a lot of stuff to ask! When you do eventing, do you have to have a dressage saddle? I'm looking to buy one soon anyways but I was jw :)

Nope, you don't need a dressage saddle, although they do help to maintain you position a bit easier. I have seen lots of people do their dressage tests in jumping saddles, especially at the lower levels.
     
    08-14-2011, 10:05 PM
  #13
Yearling
Alright sweet, allison, you're a lot of help :) And so let's say I did go into the eventing, they score dressage like a normal dressage test right? That's probbly not even what it's called haha, I have no dressage information in my head.. Well if you did the test/ride/show w/e lol in a CC saddle, they won't mark you points down?
     
    08-14-2011, 10:15 PM
  #14
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    08-14-2011, 10:22 PM
  #15
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No, the dressage scoring is very different from regular dressage. In regular dressage, the higher the score, the better. In eventing, they are scoring by adding up the penalties (a gross simplification). So, the lower the score the better.

Here is everything you ever wanted to know about eventing rules;

http://www.usef.org/documents/ruleBook/2009/12-EV.pdf
     
    08-14-2011, 11:00 PM
  #16
Yearling
Thanks everyone!
     
    08-15-2011, 06:47 PM
  #17
Trained
Would just like to put my hand up for a moment here and remind the OP that dressage is not just forcing your horse into doing a bunch of fancy movements. It does frustrate me a bit to hear that because I am a straight out dressage rider and if it was as simple as dropping my stirrups and making the horse automatically do 'fancy movements' first attempt, then I should have been at grand prix a long time ago.

Basic dressage is what you will be doing in the lower levels of eventing, which is not any fancy movements, just plain old, correct work. How every horse should be travelling whether a dressage horse or not. Walk, trot and canter into a solid contact, poll at the highest point and moving forward with the rider's aids, swinging the back and working off the hind quarters - not on the forehand.
Not until you can get this basic work, should you even think about working on lengthening and lateral movements. Also, FYI - lengthening is quite a difficult movement for a horse to do correctly, it requires a lot of strength and balance for the horse to stay on its haunches and light in the hand for the whole lengthen.

Sorry - being dressage nazi now... I'll shut up :P
     
    08-15-2011, 11:30 PM
  #18
Yearling
Kayty, I'm sorry for offending you. I know that you can't just hop on a horse and be like "You are in a dressage saddle, now go do a piaffe please with this cue!" I know that he is going to need a lot of training, sorry if I didn't make that clear lol. But I was just wondering because I didn't wanna have to go through all this and have it not all work out.

And if you mean "lengthening his lateral movements" do you mean extending his canter and gaits?.. well I've already worked on that haha..

And no I don't mind, every bit of information is so helpful for me! Thanks hehe
     
    08-15-2011, 11:49 PM
  #19
Trained
No not offended, just clearing it up :)

And no, I don't mean lengthen his lateral movements - lengthening and laterals are two seperate entities.

The problems with trying lengthening without working on the precursours to these movements, is that the horse physically cannot hold himself over his haunches through the lengthen and as a result will simply run faster and faster onto the forehand. When this happens, you WILL get a longer stride in the front legs because the horse must step longer in front to stop itself falling over.
Slight lengthening of strides is introduced only at Novice level in Australia (not sure what that level is in US) and this is only a couple of slightly longer strides across the diagonal. At Elementary, the medium trot is introduced, and the extended trot not brought in until Medium/Advanced level. This is for the reasons I stated above - it is very difficult for the horse to stay on its haunches in balance while maintaing a consistent rhythm.
Pushing a horse too fast into lengthening the stride will result in a horse that braces it's back and neck, falls on the forehand and thus becomes nervous to the forward aids.
     
    08-16-2011, 12:09 AM
  #20
Yearling
Ugh, I'd hate to sound so uneducated, but to be honest, I really have no idea what you mean! I'll just get my friend to explain it into "Devyn" terms haha, thanks though :)
     

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