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post #31 of 36 Old 04-27-2010, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind View Post

So, they are have to deal with your horse and have to put up with any bad behavior your horse decides to do along the way?

I can not imagine telling my barn owner that they are not allowed to punish my horse when he has one of those very rare moments where he forgets he is a good boy.
I would have to agree. If my horse "shoved me" or such, you're darn right he'd be getting a smack. (Though I must admit, my favorite way to correct this is to grab the skin on his chest and just do a quick twist. I can also catch my horses if they escape with this method.) What if he decided to shove a child? He could easily walk over a child and do serious harm. He needs to understand that with every action there is a consequence. Horses are big, powerful animals, and I'm not saying "oh beat your horse" but there are situations where even the most saintly of horses need to be shown order.
I would expect and encourage my BO to do this. My horse would be in a "public" place where I was not available to watch over his actions all of the time. No, I'm not saying beat him, jerk his face, kick him, etc. But smacking him on the shoulder isn't going to hurt him and if you use it sparingly it's an effective form of discipline because your horse will think to himself "oh, no one ever smacks me, I must have done something wrong!!"

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post #32 of 36 Old 04-27-2010, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mls View Post
I'm with Kevin and Flitter. If your horse is on my horse (nuzzling, rubbing, whatever) and I see you take no action to correct the situation, I will correct it. By not handling the situation - YOU are putting all four of us in potential danger.
Me too. I've seen way too many times when what starts out looking like a friendly nuzzle, 15 seconds later is squeal, wheel, and kick.

My horse is boarded and has been disciplined without my knowledge for misbehaviors that have happened when I wasn't there. The barn owner told me about the situation the next time I came. I'd have more of an issue if she HADN'T done the disciplining, as it would be encouraging the bad behavior.
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post #33 of 36 Old 04-27-2010, 03:16 PM
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Does sound like she is out of line to be hitting your horse without giving you a chance to correct it. However I have smacked other people's horses when they were placing me in a dangerous situation. Once I was helping someone catch some horses and we had them in a corral. I walked the horse towards the opening, to load them into the trailer outside of the corral. Suddenly the horse spooked (no horses around it) and was inches from slamming me into the corral. I had half a second to think. I gave the horse a slap on the shoulder, raised my voice and with my body language made it get over. If I hadn't I would have been seriously hurt.

I have also slapped young horses I was working with when they were being brats. Like biting, trying to plunge into me ect. However I try to do everything else possible before slapping them. When I was teaching some foals to pick up their feet, two of them would nip me when I picked their feet up. Obviously I didn't want to smack them in the mouth, so I just stuck my elbow out and they bumped themselves each time they tried to bite. They didn't like it and so stopped. Not one of them is headshy or nervous to this day and they LOVE people and are extremely well mannered.

What I do not agree with is when people hit horses on their heads. Unless it is a light pop to the nose for biting I guess. But I have seen too many headshy horses to want to do that. A horse will kick or bite another horse a lot harder than you could ever slap it with your hand so I really don't feel it is abuse if it is a quick reprimend for bad behavior.

I think it is important to be careful with other people's horses as they are not your own, however if I am in danger of being injured or killed I will not hesitate to give a horse a slap on their chest or shoulder.
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post #34 of 36 Old 04-27-2010, 06:35 PM Thread Starter
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Since the users here who are agreeing with her hitting the horse are doing a lot of assuming lurid facts not in evidence, I conclude that it indeed was unacceptable for her to hit my horse when he wasn't doing anything.

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post #35 of 36 Old 04-27-2010, 06:54 PM
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when he wasn't doing anything.
You yourself said he was touching noses, and numerous posters here have detailed how dangerous that can be - A friend of mine was kicked in the foot after some innocent sniffing of noses - But do go ahead and stick your head in the sand and say that anyone not agreeing is assuming things.

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post #36 of 36 Old 04-28-2010, 07:17 PM
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I agree with both sides of this, to an extent.

Horses have personal space, just like people, and those personal space issues shouldn't be crossed when horses are being handled/rode.
Trail rides/arena's offered for public use often have courtesy rules - red ribbons for kickers, horse length between each horse for space - because when some horses get crowed, like people, they can get very cranky and things can escalate into a nasty situation very quickly.
Everyone should be mindful of personal space bubbles. They are very important.

However, if I were riding with someone and in a moment of lasped attention (as it happens) and noses were touched and the other rider smacked my horse, I'd blow a freaking gasket. It would be a brave soul whoever raised a hand to my horses. I'd probably take the reins and smack her (HER, not her horse, mind you) right back. Politically correct? No. But neither is smacking someone else's horse when the owner is right there to take care of it.
The owner also has to be on the ball about these things, too, though.

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