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post #21 of 80 Old 05-14-2009, 04:32 AM Thread Starter
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He is just a little bit sore and scared, Chinga won't let anyone else on him. He hates it. I'm just going to take it slow with him. If he is still sore tommorow I will get the vet out to have a look.

When another rider is on him they can give him as much or as little kicking/squeezing/smaking with the whip as they like and he still won't do anything no matter how experianced the rider.

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post #22 of 80 Old 05-14-2009, 04:43 AM
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He is just a little bit sore and scared, Chinga won't let anyone else on him. He hates it. I'm just going to take it slow with him. If he is still sore tommorow I will get the vet out to have a look.

When another rider is on him they can give him as much or as little kicking/squeezing/smaking with the whip as they like and he still won't do anything no matter how experianced the rider.
So you're pretty much saying a professional trainer couldn't work with him? What has he been doing his whole life? It is very doubtful no one else could ride him.

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post #23 of 80 Old 05-14-2009, 04:53 AM Thread Starter
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Yes a professional trainer could work him but every other rider I have had on him including experianced riders could not get him to work. He worked for anyone and everyone at his old owners place but here he doesn't want to work for anyone but me. Well at least out of the people who have been on him.

Personally I want to try to work with Chinga myself. Two days after he came home he was backing me into trees and doing little circles but I spent time working with him in the saddle and just bonding with him it took me about a week but I did it I managed to get him to listen to me. So I'm hoping I can do this again other wise he just misses out on his bucket of food. Chinga gets one biscute of good quality hay plus one bucket of loosen, chaft, pony pellets and corn (This is mixed into one bucket together). If he mis-behaves he misses out on his bucket of food.

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post #24 of 80 Old 05-14-2009, 04:58 AM
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Okay, then if you want to think that go ahead. I just don't like people saying there horse is a 'one person horse', when that's just what they want to think. -ends this part of conversations-

I still think you should get him checked by a Vet/Chiropractor before you try to work with him again. If it's un-characteristic, I'd be worried.

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post #25 of 80 Old 05-14-2009, 05:13 AM Thread Starter
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I am worried but Chinga has a bad day sometimes and decideds he isn't going to work. This is going to sound really stupid but I can tell if Chinga is sore or not because of the way he greets me if he is sore it will be ears back and walking away from me or trying to push me over when I give him his meals.

I will also have a look at him myself by feeling him over, and getting my dad to check him as well (My dad grew up with horses). Im going to give him a few days rest, by just walking him around on a lead rope.

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post #26 of 80 Old 05-14-2009, 05:22 AM
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Okay that's cool. It's just that you've said a few times he's just a bit sore, or you think he is sore. Good luck with him.

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post #27 of 80 Old 05-14-2009, 05:27 AM
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A horse will always work better for the main person who rides them... its just because of the bond one horse may have with it's owner/rider... but it should still work for another person in some manner. My best mates horse is AMAZING to ride, if you know the right buttons to push, and as much as he's so lovely to those who ride him, when his "Mummy" gets back up, he deals to her for putting someone else on him. My wee mare was backed and started by myself and when other people started hopping up on her she couldn't handle it at all... its was something her and I shared, no one else. But I persisted, and she finally realised that it doesn't matter who is in the saddle, she has to show respect to that person (she was never dirty, just wouldn't allow them to mount her without side stepping... as if to say "Hey! You're not Mummy!").. and they have to give respect back to her too.

I personally don't think a horse just suddenly turns "bronco" and does bucking and rearing in one session without a reason. He could have been geniunely scared, but it sounds to me he's sore. SO many people go "oh no, the saddle fits he can't be sore" (not saying thats what you're doing here)... but if my horse does something and I can't relate it to something I've personally done... I go through a list... are they sore? If they are, eliminate. The saddle could fit... but the muscles where the saddle sits could be sore... its very common that they can become sore like that. Has he taken a fall in the paddock when you haven't seen and put something out? Very likely... horses are good chiropractors themselves, every time they roll they realign their spine... but it doesn't take much for a niggle to become a problem.. most horses start off just lightly sore, and because they don't show us the signs, we continue on till it's really sore and they just have to go "OW!!! Get... off!" Of course, some horses react more dramatically than others.
If he's not sore, then is it a behaviour thing? Walking over eggshells isn't going to help, believe me I've had my fair share of sidestepping issues because I was scared with my gelding. I suggest if you're not confident, get some advice from someone more experienced, even on the ground. They could also determine whether Chinga is sore too.
Please don't just "give him a rest." It's important for the muscles to keep active, even if you just walk him. I've been taught by a professional chiro who has told me thats the best medicine... you stop those muscles, they get stiff and that's when the problem begins to mount higher... Walking is not only beneficial but will keep the muscles nice and loose.
I hope this is of some help to you... don't be discouraged love, it's alright to get help, even if your boy is a little disturbed by other people.
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post #28 of 80 Old 05-14-2009, 05:40 AM Thread Starter
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I am not going to just dump him in the paddock Im going to give him a few days rest, by just walking him around on a lead rope.

He was scared when he reared and bucked as I've said a few times. Because we were trotting and thats when he reared, I've also said Chinga has never bucked (unless its a small buck of exitment) and never reared. Although he did give me a very small buck once when he was playing up, but for him the buck is a last result, he will do little circles back me into trees, not move, put his ears back before he even pretends he is going to buck.


Fire Eyes:

I know your trying to help but this is the way I am taking your advice it is good advice but it makes me feel like you are attacking me the way your saying it and also it makes me regreat even putting this up and asking for peoples opinions. This may not be the way you are trying to say it but thats just the way Im reading it, Im sure other people will read it completly differantly.
Also I rode him in the same saddle at his old owners place and they helped me put it on him. They can tell if a saddle fits correctly as well.


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I have said this many times but I'm just going to say it again, I will never hurt Chinga deliveratly.

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A horse will always work better for the main person who rides them... its just because of the bond one horse may have with it's owner/rider... but it should still work for another person in some manner.
I know most horses do work best with there owner as a pose to multiple different people on them. I was just saying it is unlikely that a more experience rider couldn't get Chinga moving. It's the same with my mare, she gets very skittish with other people on her, but as long as they're experienced and know what they're doing they can ride her.
I don't like people saying no one else is capable of riding there horse.

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post #30 of 80 Old 05-14-2009, 05:46 AM
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Fire Eyes:

I know your trying to help but this is the way I am taking your advice it is good advice but it makes me feel like you are attacking me the way your saying it and also it makes me regreat even putting this up and asking for peoples opinions. This may not be the way you are trying to say it but thats just the way Im reading it, Im sure other people will read it completly differantly.
Also I rode him in the same saddle at his old owners place and they helped me put it on him. They can tell if a saddle fits correctly as well.
I'm sorry it came across that way but if you think about it, an experienced rider would be able to ride Chinga. They may not know how to get him moving at the start, but part of being an experience rider is knowing how to get a difficult horse to move.
And the other advise I gave is also just trying to help Chinga, don't take it the wrong way.

That's the problem with the internet, peoples words can be taken as if they're said in a harsh way, when intended as a piece of advise.

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