he was just a bit mostly because this was his first time going long and low and stretching down so he is just getting the hang of it, so I think that's why, When im in more contact and have him more collected he (usually) is pretty good. I hope that answers you question!
Wallaby, I know there's so much hype about horses being behind the vertical, but there is nothing wrong with riding them occasionally a little behind, a little deep, a little over-bent etc. from time to time when training. It is good practice to be able to place the horse's head and neck where you want them to be. If you allow the neck to remain in one place for the whole ride, you can end up with a horse that braces and is not flexible through the neck and poll.
Thanks for taking the time to explain that, I appreciate it. :)
And I'll stop hijacking your thread, MightEventer!