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        08-19-2013, 10:11 AM
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    Weanling
    Having trouble controlling my horse.

    I am just getting back to riding after 8 long years. I have a 16 year old Appy gelding. I love him, but he is sometimes hard to control. I don't understand it. He
    Was used as a kids school horse and never had an issue, but with me he is always acting up.

    When we ride in the ring he is always trying to cut into the middle. My trainer is always yelling at me to use my inside leg to bring him back to the rail. I do, and use the reins, but he doesn't always listen. And if he manages to get to the center of the ring, he comes to a dead stop. My trainer has owned him for 3 years, and said he sometimes tests her, but this is a new behavior. I can't help but wonder if I am doing something wrong. Any ideas?
         
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        08-19-2013, 10:13 AM
      #2
    Green Broke
    Welcome to the forum!

    Personally, after checking there is no medical issues (teeth, back and saddle fit) I would find a new trainer.

    There is obviously something not going right with the communication.

    Did you ride this horse before you bought him from your trainer? If you are getting in to riding again after a long break, I find it pretty irresponsible of your trainer to sell you a horse that tested her :/
         
        08-19-2013, 10:19 AM
      #3
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
    Welcome to the forum!

    Personally, after checking there is no medical issues (teeth, back and saddle fit) I would find a new trainer.

    There is obviously something not going right with the communication.

    Did you ride this horse before you bought him from your trainer? If you are getting in to riding again after a long break, I find it pretty irresponsible of your trainer to sell you a horse that tested her :/
    Yes, and he behaved perfectly when I test rode him. From what I know of Appy's, they are testy. And I chose him, she showed me several horses, but he was the one I clicked with. I think it may be the saddle fit. I just started using a new English saddle, and he acts out way more when I use it than when I use my western one.
         
        08-19-2013, 10:21 AM
      #4
    Green Broke
    Can you revert back to the western to see if this makes a difference?

    If not, can your trainer get on him? If not, I would suggest a different trainer, or get some ground work lessons. There are lots of threads in reference to ground work in the horse training area; its a great way to learn with your horse and have him respect you from the floor, and then hopefully under saddle too.
         
        08-19-2013, 10:27 AM
      #5
    Super Moderator
    Are you the lady that lives near the Rauchers?
    If so go and ask them for advice and maybe some lessons on your horse - if he's too much for you they'll give you an honest opinion and maybe help you get him right or exchange for a more suitable horse you can have some fun on and also get back into shape with your riding which you can't really do on a horse that's challenging you all the time
         
        08-19-2013, 10:28 AM
      #6
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
    Can you revert back to the western to see if this makes a difference?

    If not, can your trainer get on him? If not, I would suggest a different trainer, or get some ground work lessons. There are lots of threads in reference to ground work in the horse training area; its a great way to learn with your horse and have him respect you from the floor, and then hopefully under saddle too.
    I switch off between Western and English (I am more comfortable Western), so yes I can revert back. It's weird because he is primarily an English horse. My trainer also will take him and get him back into rhythm we he starts acting goofy, but I was hoping to be able to do it myself eventually. Ground work sounds like a brilliant idea! Thanks!
         
        08-19-2013, 10:28 AM
      #7
    Weanling
    Remember respect is not transferable. Just because he did well for your trainer and you for that matter in the beginning does not mean it will continue if he bullies you and gets away with it. Give an inch they take a mile kind of thing. Ask your trainer to show you some ground exercises you can do to get the horse respecting you on the ground. I am willing to bet he is passively disrespectful on the ground, meaning he gets away with bad behavior and you are not even aware of it. Don't make excuses for disrespectful behavior ie: the breed, the saddle, the moon phase ect.. just fix it. If your trainer is not willing or is unable to help you then find a new one. Be safe
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        08-19-2013, 10:34 AM
      #8
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by gssw5    
    Remember respect is not transferable. Just because he did well for your trainer and you for that matter in the beginning does not mean it will continue if he bullies you and gets away with it. Give an inch they take a mile kind of thing. Ask your trainer to show you some ground exercises you can do to get the horse respecting you on the ground. I am willing to bet he is passively disrespectful on the ground, meaning he gets away with bad behavior and you are not even aware of it. Don't make excuses for disrespectful behavior ie: the breed, the saddle, the moon phase ect.. just fix it. If your trainer is not willing or is unable to help you then find a new one. Be safe

    Thank you, tomorrow I am going out to ride, and will focus on gaining his respect
         
        08-19-2013, 11:14 AM
      #9
    Green Broke
    Really do read the threads on ground work though.. they are really informative and you can have a lot of fun..good luck with him and let us know how it goes!
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        08-19-2013, 11:19 AM
      #10
    Trained
    A western saddle spreads weight out over a larger area - something like 150+ % of the area. The white padded one is our Abetta, which has the smallest tree of any western saddle I've seen. The yellow is our Circle Y, and the tan in my Bates jump saddle:



    Here is the difference between the actual trees:

    English


    Western


    If the behavior is significantly worse with the English saddle, then it may be creating too much pressure in terms of PSI on the muscle tissue and causing pain.

    I have two English saddles. I've been swapping back and forth between them lately. I feel better with the jump saddle. However, the AP version has wider panels to distribute my weight, and a wider channel down the center to keep weight away from the horse's backbone. I don't jump, so I don't NEED the jump saddle. I just like it better. My horse doesn't act up in it, but I suspect she moves more freely and more relaxed in the AP saddle.

    I plan on riding her with both over the next week to see which one works best for us as a team. A saddle can 'fit' and still not be 'right'.

    The two English saddles...both Bates Caprilli, one is CC & one is AP:



    The rear part of the panel of the AP saddle is 5 inches instead of 4.5 inches wide, so a 10% increase. The channel width, at its narrowest, is 3.25 vs 2.25, so a 44% increase. Those are not huge differences, but are something I need to consider before deciding which will be my go-to English saddle (I've had both for 3+ years, BTW).
         

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