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post #11 of 24 Old 08-19-2013, 12:05 PM
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I've seen many school horses learn that going into the middle of the ring is where they are asked to stand because that is where the instructor often gives instructions to a student, or where one waits when in a group lesson students will jump a course one by one, or where students gather at the end of a lesson for a final recap. School horses are smart and learn that the middle of the ring is where they often get out of work at least in their mind. This may not be the case with your horse, but it is a thought because of his behavior.
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post #12 of 24 Old 08-19-2013, 12:09 PM
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To be honest...I think he is taking advantage of you and being a jerk.

If your trainer can get on him, and has no problems, but then you get on and do have problems...its you. Something isn't working between you and your horse. And its a respect issue. He is taking advantage of your inexperience

Its not the trainer. Its probably not the saddle fit. Its respect...or the lack of.
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post #13 of 24 Old 08-19-2013, 12:16 PM Thread Starter
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I've seen many school horses learn that going into the middle of the ring is where they are asked to stand because that is where the instructor often gives instructions to a student, or where one waits when in a group lesson students will jump a course one by one, or where students gather at the end of a lesson for a final recap. School horses are smart and learn that the middle of the ring is where they often get out of work at least in their mind. This may not be the case with your horse, but it is a thought because of his behavior.
I think this may be it! During group lessons, this is what happens. We wait in the center for everyone to do what was instructed, and then at the end we reconvene for a recap, and then we ride up to the barn. I think this is it, mingled with some disrespect from my horse. It's DEFINITELY something I am bringing up with my trainer tomorrow.
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To be honest...I think he is taking advantage of you and being a jerk.

If your trainer can get on him, and has no problems, but then you get on and do have problems...its you. Something isn't working between you and your horse. And its a respect issue. He is taking advantage of your inexperience

Its not the trainer. Its probably not the saddle fit. Its respect...or the lack of.
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Yeah, I think it's him disrespecting me. As a PP pointed out, he is a school horse and the center of the ring signals end of work for him. So, he is being disrespectful and trying to force me to end his workout on HIS terms, not mine. Tomorrow I am going to work on some ground work, maybe that will help.
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post #15 of 24 Old 08-19-2013, 01:04 PM
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if you do not know how to do ground work for a correct response, it will not help this . It will only add to the confusion, actually. Ground work done incorrectly only builds a horse's estimation of his handler as a pushover or not.

I would go back to the saddle that he behave best in, first. Then, do not ever stand around resting and chatting in the middle of the arena. If you must go there, keep him moving, circling. Allow him to rest only standing out by the edge.

If you are trotting around and he falls more and more into the circle, then go back to a walk if necessary, steer him around , bring him out to the circle and trot on. If he stays on the circle for a bit, go back to a walk and reward him with a walk, on the circle, or even a stand, on the circle (*I mean 'on the rail').

Just do NOT allow him to go into the middle, even if you must change gait and put him back out. Over and over. If he goes into the middle, you circle around small, and if you can make him go fast, all the better. The idea being, work hard in the center of the arena, trot or walk nice and easy on the outer part of the arena.

And take care not to end your ride in the middle any more. End on the outside.
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In the pictures you posted of him in another thread, I suspect that the root of your problems is likely saddle fit. From what I could see, the tree on your saddle looks far too flat for him and may be digging into his shoulders.

It is possible that he's testing you on top of that, but I think if you get the saddle fit fixed, you'll have a much easier time dealing with his attitude.

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In the pictures you posted of him in another thread, I suspect that the root of your problems is likely saddle fit. From what I could see, the tree on your saddle looks far too flat for him and may be digging into his shoulders.

It is possible that he's testing you on top of that, but I think if you get the saddle fit fixed, you'll have a much easier time dealing with his attitude.
Yes, I am going to try a different English saddle, I wonder if that's part of the problem.
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Really do read the threads on ground work though.. they are really informative and you can have a lot of fun..good luck with him and let us know how it goes!
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I am having issues finding the ground work threads. Would they be in training?
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post #19 of 24 Old 08-20-2013, 06:38 PM Thread Starter
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So I rode English today, and there were NO bad behaviors. We used a regular saddle pad and added an lift back saddle pad, that way it would help if it was putting pressure on his withers.

I also did some ground work with him first. Making him yield his hind quarters, and then his front quarters, and then back up on command. He did alright. He refused everything at first, and then finally gave in and let me win.

Afterwards we had a nice solid ride...well he did anyways. I am still trying to figure out how to keep my balance in an English saddle.
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I didn't read through the thread, so hopefully I'm not repeating what other people have already said, but I have known so many school horses that do this exact same thing. Actually, I have seen many beginner safe horses in general do it to test their riders. They will come into the middle and stop - he's just trying to tell you that he's run out of quarters and the ride's over so you might as well get off. You'll have to continue to correct the behavior and make it clear that the ride is only over when you say it's over, not him.
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