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    02-17-2011, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CJ82Sky    
super hard to say if it's you causing it and even if it is - such a big reaction is not deserved.

As for saddle - often what gives wither clearance will then be too narrow for the shoulder. Get wider in the gullet and fit the shoulder but then hit the withers/spine. Makes for a tough to fit horse.

No rush on pics just trying to help. :)
I know a few brands of saddle that have a cut back pommel, which is probably good for thoroughbreds.. He has massive shoulders to, I don't know if you can tell from the photo's, but he does. That was the first thing one person said to me a few weeks ago upon introducing mitchell to her.

I don't think i've posted this before, if I have oh well, but I walked out the night before he was taken to the neighbours, lifted up my trouser leg and said "look what you did to me mitchell, look at the size of this bruise" and he looked at it quite intently, kind of going 'what do you call that?' and he was snorting and sniffing at it and put his nose right on the bruise, it hurt haha, but I let him see it.
Then I bought a road cone over to his paddock, thinking perhaps he was bored paddocked on his own and needed a toy, when I bought it over to him he got excited (I think, he didn't look scared so must've been excited) and he started doing, in the paddock with no gear on, what he had done when I got thrown off him. He was galloping around in circles and stopping at the fence and pawing the ground and bucking and farting and rearing infront of me, I didn't know how to take that reaction, so I let him have the cone and walked out of the paddock not wanting to be in his path of destruction. He would walk over to it, snort at it and take a sniff, then go into his big bucking frenzy.. I dare say next time I take something out for him to play with I'm taking a camera.
That kind of made me think well maybe it is just the grass, afterall he's doing it with no tack on so it can't be his saddle or me this time. Maybe he's just high on grass and was a bit of a ticking time bomb.
Bubbles does the same on her "grass highs" but instead of bucking she tries her luck at a flat out bolt, but i've learnt her tricks now and can stop her cold no worries.

And by the way, I appreciate everyone trying to help, I am not ashamed to admit no I don't know a lot of things about horses, that's why I am asking questions, nobody does know every single little thing, that's why we have professionals (even though some of them do more harm than good around here, but we won't go in to that )
And I appreciate the fact that I haven't had my head ripped off for whatever reason like I've seen happens on some threads
     
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    02-17-2011, 10:54 PM
  #32
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He's definitely not a nasty horse in any way, as you can probably tell by the photo's, so whatever his reasoning is to being like he was that day I will get to the bottom of it.
He is the sort of horse that always wants to be with you, he runs up the paddock to meet me and sniff's everything I brong out to him (I haven't given him treats yet though) I bring random things out like my car keys and water bottles and my chapstick etc just because its so funny to see him so interested in things. He doesn't even try to eat them he just sniffs them and listens to the noises they make. Even my camera haha.
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And while I remember and you can see it in this photo, his right front leg is the one he has previously had a bowed tendon to, you can see the little bump in it... Well to me it's little anyway I've never really seen very many bowed tendons.
     
    02-18-2011, 12:15 AM
  #33
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Hm m m . I still think he has not learned how to deal with being overfaced. It's cool that you are bringing stuff out and letting him see it and reacte. Maybe after awhile he will find ways to react that don't entail a big hullabaloo.
     
    02-18-2011, 09:48 AM
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I agree on more playtime - he may also be trying to just play with you for fun - so the more you can stimulate him mentally before/outside of rides the better your actual rides will be. Try also possibly doing some trick training or games with him - I've found smarter horses love that stuff then are more willing to focus when ridden.

As for the saddle it very well could be pinching his shoulders giving him an excuse, but based on the reaction to the cone, likely not the sole cause!

Engage his brain in some games so that when it is time to work, he can focus. Also sounds to me like the kind of horse that doesn't want too much repetition under saddle so perhaps try mixing it up some when you ride. Good luck!
     
    02-19-2011, 04:17 PM
  #35
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i agree on more playtime - he may also be trying to just play with you for fun - so the more you can stimulate him mentally before/outside of rides the better your actual rides will be. Try also possibly doing some trick training or games with him - I've found smarter horses love that stuff then are more willing to focus when ridden.

As for the saddle it very well could be pinching his shoulders giving him an excuse, but based on the reaction to the cone, likely not the sole cause!

Engage his brain in some games so that when it is time to work, he can focus. Also sounds to me like the kind of horse that doesn't want too much repetition under saddle so perhaps try mixing it up some when you ride. Good luck!
I have loads of random things I can give to him to play with that I know he won't hurt himself on, but I want to get one of those horse playball thingys. A friend told me yesterday at the show that she gave her mums colt a moon hopper and he loved it and it took ages to pop, so should I get one and give it to mitch? Even if he only has it while i'm around to watch?

We play 'games' in the paddock, like I'll walk around the paddoc and he follows me at walk, trot and canter, and he stops when I do, he runs beside me not behind me to, haha if he was behind me I would probably get nervous .
He likes my chap stick because it clicks when I open and close it and it smells nice, he wouldn't let me leave once I pulled that out.

I try to vary what I do with him, because I hate my horses getting bored and I want him to do lots of different things while he's still young so he might not be so spooky later on.. He's not too spooky but he does get nervous, he's usually alright with some positive enforcing though.
(heaven help us when we met that scary log)
I took him to the neighbours for a ride and for a change of scenery the day before he threw me, we did bending poles and jumped a little log etc, and just generally done really random things in no particular order.

Any suggestions for games etc I could do with him?
-He is pretty smart(well I think so anyway), he knows how to open gates , but he can't open his because it involves lifting it up and that is specifically so he can't open it, and he seems so much more intrigued with foreign objects than any other horse I've been around. He plays with my jumps and poles etc, I put up a blue and white stripy pole and he was rolling it around the paddock sniffing it.
     
    02-19-2011, 11:15 PM
  #36
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The following game is the best - my arab does that with me all the time too it's a riot and so much fun. I also play "soccer" using a big yoga ball and letting the horse kick it around and what not. Fun stuff!

Parelli has some good games (disclaimer: not a parelli fan, but the concepts and theories are good in their base forms for the most part) and you can buy stuff like hula hoops and yoga stuff at stores like tj maxx and spend just a few dollars for a ton of stuff to do.

I want to also teach my arab to bow to one knee so that I can get on from the ground haha. Just general trick training and various obstacles to challenge him, engage his brain, and keep him interested so that the riding part isn't so boring when we're not doing treks through the adirondacks!
     
    02-21-2011, 01:38 AM
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the following game is the best - my arab does that with me all the time too it's a riot and so much fun. I also play "soccer" using a big yoga ball and letting the horse kick it around and what not. Fun stuff!

Parelli has some good games (disclaimer: not a parelli fan, but the concepts and theories are good in their base forms for the most part) and you can buy stuff like hula hoops and yoga stuff at stores like tj maxx and spend just a few dollars for a ton of stuff to do.

I want to also teach my arab to bow to one knee so that I can get on from the ground haha. Just general trick training and various obstacles to challenge him, engage his brain, and keep him interested so that the riding part isn't so boring when we're not doing treks through the adirondacks!
Oh cool, I have a yoga ball and lots of hula hoops, plus living on a farm we have loads of random stuff that could be fun haha.
I taught our mini to bow, Mitchell shouldn't be to difficult he's willing to learn... Normally.
     
    03-01-2011, 10:01 PM
  #38
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Don't give up on him! I recently bought an OTTB and the first month was fine. She rode great, was calm, etc. Then one day, nothing had changed, except she didn't want to go forward. So I I simply placed a whip on her (didn't even tap it) and she shot backwards, tripped over her own legs and fell down on me. I was ready to give her away, but I found an EXCELLENT trainer who basically started her over as if she had never been broke. He did ground work for a few weeks, then got on her, and bit by bit she came around.
OTTB horses are just screwed up from life on the track. Your horse very likely was whipped senseless to get him to go. I think if you find a good trainer who is gentle and knows how to retrain OTTB's, you'd be able to keep him! He's a cutie BTW.
     
    03-01-2011, 10:05 PM
  #39
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Do you have a closeup of his face? I've been getting really good at extracting personalities from face whorls.
     
    03-02-2011, 02:47 AM
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Do you have a closeup of his face? I've been getting really good at extracting personalities from face whorls.
Unfortunately the only close ups I have, his forelock is in the way
When I take the camera over next I'll try remember to get some, i'd be quite interested with what it comes up with... But I can't even recall him having any whorls, surely he must haha.
I know bubbles has a clockwise one between her eyes though
     

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