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  • Reason for horse bucking in canter
  • Horse bucks when asked to canter lazy

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    07-04-2009, 06:46 PM
Are you sure his back isnt hurting? My horse kicked out and it turned out he had a bad sore spot on his back. After we fixed that things got a lot better. If he isnt sore then I agree w/ the above. I wish you the best of luck =]
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    07-04-2009, 09:05 PM
Green Broke
I know its not any kind of pain because I've hade vets look at her and she has good feet. Its just a lack of work. I have a twisted spine so I was out of riding for a while and when I did go back to get on her she started that and it made it worse. I just wish I had the money to send her to a trainer and then get her on a lesson programe or some thing till I get beter.
    07-04-2009, 09:08 PM
Did you change her tack at all around the time the bucking started? It could be discomfort. Does she buck at the canter on the lungeline? If she's fine there, it could be the extra weight of a rider that's the problem, or you perhaps simply off balancing her. At 4 years old, I wouldn't expect her to be extremely balanced with a rider yet, but it's always something to work toward. Also, is she hard to get into the canter, like, "sticky feet" and demonic trot before cantering? She may have a forward motion issue, which is best dealt with on the lungeline.

You've been given some awesome advice so far, I'm just throwing some things out there to help you "diagnose" her malfunction.

Oh, English saddle tip: I take a western leather curb strap and loop it through the front dees on my AP saddle to make an "emergency handle," lol. Just having it there is a real confidence booster, and it's really discreet, I even show with it. There are real grab straps out there, I just had the curb strap hanging around and used it.

That's a rough situation, between your back and your mare needing the work you can't give her yet. Best of luck to both of you :)
    07-04-2009, 10:36 PM
Green Broke
Thank you Scoutrider. I havent changed her tack. SHE DOES DO THE DEMONIC TROT!!!! How do I fix that with a lunge line? I've been looking into one of these......Pessoa Training System - Dover Saddlery. that's not the one I was looking at but its basicly the same thing. Do you think that could help any? I've been riding her for 2 years and only been cantering for 1. She was totaly fine doing great even my trainer said she did very well for her age.
    07-05-2009, 08:08 AM
I would go back to establishing free, forward movement on the lungeline. I'm not sure what tack you use (surcingle, side reins, etc), but I just use a rope halter and 15 foot line. I have a cue stick for reinforcing my hand cues. While it's important to have contact, correctness of frame and carriage, etc. on the horse, at this point (without having seen the horse in action ) she needs to almost establish a canter uninhibited before any additional tools are added, IMHO. I think of it as, if she can't carry just herself as she's naturally comfortable at the canter, she can't do it correctly with leather hanging all over her. You need a "raw, unpasturized" gait before it can be refined. Again, my humblest of opinions, I know it will probably be criticized. When she canters calmly without bucking, accepting the gait itself, comes the refinement. I'm not familiar with the training system, but all that it does can be done with a little more time by a rider. However, in your situation, unable to ride often, it may be an option to keep your horse progressing. Unless she's cantering calmly and willingly, that contraption is a recipe for disaster if she starts bucking.

Stand just behind her driveline (about the girthline, a little ahead is better) to make sure that all pressure is directed to move her forward. Pressure, even your presence, ahead of the driveline will ALWAYS cause the horse to stop or turn, whick you don't want. Hold the line in the hand closest to the horse's head, and the cue stick (a whip can work in a pinch) held in the other hand, neutral. Send your horse out onto the circle by pointing up and forward with your line hand. If she doesn't respond, raise the stick and slowly swing it, suggesting that she move. If she still doesn't, tap her on the rump. Keep tapping until she walks. Get her well warmed up in both directions, then ask for a canter. Same cue as for the walk (raise lead hand, point ahead, encourage with the stick). I add a smooching noise to help my horse differentiate between a canter and a faster trot. At first, just get a canter, to be sure that she understands what you want. Don't worry about the demon trot. Usually, a faster response comes naturally, but if it doesn't, every time she just demon trots, slow her down (relax your body, a verbal "easy, easy") in the gait you are starting from, then ask again. Lots of transitions on the lunge. All you're doing is getting her feet unstuck, getting her willing to move forward off of a mild cue with a "Jump? How High?" attitude. It's probably best to establish this at the walk and trot first, to make it easier for her to understand at the faster speed.

That got really long, sorry, but I hope it makes sense and helps you out a bit. Good luck!
    07-05-2009, 11:42 AM
Green Broke
Oh I lunge her all the time. What I ment was is there any thing other than w/t/c that I should be doing. Sorry I should have specified. She never bucks on a lunge line but she is realy hesatent( I can't spell) to move forward.
    07-05-2009, 01:15 PM
I have found that horses that consistently buck when asked to canter do have something physical wrong. You may need a specialist rather than just a vet to find the issue. Just a suggestion, or it could just be her age and needing more training, but still wonder if it isn't a pain issue
    07-06-2009, 08:05 AM
Originally Posted by myhorsesonador    
oh I lunge her all the time. What I ment was is there any thing other than w/t/c that I should be doing. Sorry I should have specified. She never bucks on a lunge line but she is realy hesatent( I can't spell) to move forward.
That hesitancy is the "sticky feet," and could be what is manifesting itself as bucking under saddle. If the bucking goes away or improves when she learns not to hesitate, the bucking is probably her way of saying "I don't wanna move, are you sure you wanna make me?" I have a feeling that the reason she doesn't buck on the lunge is she feels that having "lazy" transitions is enough of an evasion without having to expend the energy of bucking. Again, this is without having seen her in action, and I know that sometimes things are hard to describe in words. It sounds like she's just being a bit lazy, which, when they're bucking like a tornado seems counterintuitive, but, in her mind, it's all about avoiding work.

Pain is still a possibility, as has been said, a specialist may be needed to totally rule out a physiological cause. A chiropractor visit may be money well spent to rule out that kind of thing.

Have you ever ridden her on the lunge? Does she still try to buck on the lunge with a rider?
    07-06-2009, 12:28 PM
Green Broke
I have never ridden her on a lunge. I would like to but I'm usualy the only one out at the barn and my mom isnt that good with horses.
    09-07-2009, 09:52 PM
Green Broke

WEll I went out and rode her today. AND SHE DID SO GOOD. I'm so proud of her. It took me so long to just get back on because I have back problems and I had kinda lost hope and my guts :P the owner of the barn I work at has helped me out so much. He is leting me use his westurn saddle and all the tack that I need. He told me to walk her for 45 minutes ever day for a week then bring her up 2 a trot for a week then move her up to a canter. And that's what I did. I finaly got my cofadince back. I feel so alive. :) I found the part of me that's been missing for so long. I soooooo missed riding. Thanks for all the help and encuragement every one. :)
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