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    06-10-2012, 01:49 AM
  #11
Foal
That's strange, because the first 3 times I rode her (I can only ride once a week, due to my work), she didn't act anywhere near that bad. Not bad at all, actually. She didn't want to go out in the field, but I just gave her a few good squeezes, and she went...but she wasn't flighty, crazy like today. She was mellow stubborn, lol, which was fine. When we took them across the street on the trails, she was great. Today it just seemed out of the blue. I rode her last weekend, which is when I cantered her the first time, and was the subject of my first post up there.

What we did, is my husband said, "oh no you don't!", and hopped on her and took her out, made her go for a bit, then we were done. She tried to act up a couple times, but he got her under control without her rearing again.
     
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    06-10-2012, 04:30 AM
  #12
Showing
That's the thing, horses test. She was fresh when you tried to canter her the week before and so she decided to up the anty when you began to go away from the barn.

Horses can exhibit barn sour behaviors just to see what they can get away with, especially with a new owner. As long as you correct it, then it should dissipate in time.

I'm glad it was corrected. You'll keep getting tested until she deems you a good herd leader.

Just keep working on it with her, on the ground (important) and then finish up under saddle. The more plainly you lay things out for her, the easier she will be able to understand what is okay and what is NOT okay.

You're doing great, OP! It can be tricky
     
    06-10-2012, 09:36 AM
  #13
Weanling
I definitely think that she is testing you. What type of bit do you ride her in? This link I'm putting in is from Julie Goodnight Julie Goodnight Natural Horsemanship / Horse Master TV Show

It is about the horse that throws their head in the air while in the canter, I watched this on tv and it made a lot of sense to me especially when riding the canter can be intimidating, in my 40s as well and don't really want to hit the ground lol
     
    06-10-2012, 08:32 PM
  #14
Foal
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Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
That's the thing, horses test. She was fresh when you tried to canter her the week before and so she decided to up the anty when you began to go away from the barn.

Horses can exhibit barn sour behaviors just to see what they can get away with, especially with a new owner. As long as you correct it, then it should dissipate in time.
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Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    


I'm glad it was corrected. You'll keep getting tested until she deems you a good herd leader.


Just keep working on it with her, on the ground (important) and then finish up under saddle. The more plainly you lay things out for her, the easier she will be able to understand what is okay and what is NOT okay.


You're doing great, OP! It can be tricky



Thank you for your kind words and encouragement...I needed to hear them. I definitely am going to lunge the hell out of her, lol, before I get on her again next weekend! I'm going to get some help from my friend, because I'm not experienced at lunging, and don't even know if the horse is, so I don't want to do anything wrong. Thank you again...
     
    06-10-2012, 08:41 PM
  #15
Showing
You're welcome! Remember to lunge with purpose though! The more focused you can get her, the better she'll be under saddle I bet
     
    06-10-2012, 08:51 PM
  #16
Foal
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Originally Posted by chandra1313    
I definitely think that she is testing you. What type of bit do you ride her in? This link I'm putting in is from Julie Goodnight Julie Goodnight Natural Horsemanship / Horse Master TV Show

It is about the horse that throws their head in the air while in the canter, I watched this on tv and it made a lot of sense to me especially when riding the canter can be intimidating, in my 40s as well and don't really want to hit the ground lol


I ride her with a small curb bit, almost a walking bit. I wanted something that was close to nothing, because the first time I rode her at her new home, I didn't have a bit (buying everything, as I said, haven't had a horse in years) so rode her around with a halter and rope for reigns, lol. She did so well (pulling alot, but still listening) I thought, awesome! I want a bitless bridle on her anyway, so now I know it will work! I've never used them, but I've always hated the thought of metal in a horses mouth, I just always think it's going to hurt. But, I couldn't get the one I wanted (Nurtural - $80+) yet, so got a $20 bridle w/bit set down at the local horse store. She rode excellent with it the 2nd and 3rd time we went, once in the pasture and then across the road on the trails. Now I think I'd be afraid to ride her without a bit, she was so out of control with one! This is the bit: Abetta Engraved Show Curb Bit - Stainless Steel - 5 - Horse

I just read that article you sent, and it sounds interesting; not sure it applies to me, since I'm always sensitive about their mouth, as I said, I've never liked the idea of bits even though I've always had to use them growing up. Had one appaloosa once we used a bosel on, which I liked much better, but since then I've read so much about how you could ruin a horse I'm scared to death to use one now, lol. I definitely like what they are saying on that site, though, so I'm going to go through all their training vids and articles to get what I can out of it; I know there's so much I don't know, so thank you! As I said, I grew up with horses (my first pony was a Shetland when I was 5), riding all the time until I was 16 (old style morgan mare, really stubborn, huge thick neck), but that was going out in the pasture out back and hopping on bareback with a halter most of the time! (couple other quarterhorses, then a big appaloosa)

Thank you again for your ideas and suggestions... hopefully my body makes it through her testing period!
     
    06-10-2012, 11:16 PM
  #17
Weanling
I'm the same way about worrying about if I'm bothering the horse with that piece of metal in her mouth. I hope you don't think I sent the article because I thought you were hard on her mouth I actually watched a segment on RFD-tv about that subject by Julie Goodnight where a lady's horse was already that way and she taught the lady how to get the horse not to fear it was going to happen. I had noticed she was 10 so you never know what they experienced before.

My new mare is 13 and last week on our 3rd trailride together, although hubby and some friends have had her out a lot before I worked up the nerve she was really pulling and I felt like I had to really hold her back, my husband says its because the young girl who was with us was cantering a lot and our other horse wanted to go fast too, I'm not sure a little worried that maybe I wasn't riding well enough to get the best out of her. I'm self taught as well. My mare has a very powerful feeling in her canter that I feel kind of intimidated about.
She was broke to a curb and I like them, but she really did a lot of weird mouthing with it so I went to a broken bit with very short shanks which seemed to stop all that mouthing she was doing.
I know that considering she was a broodmare for the past 7yrs before I got her I'm pretty lucky and I too just want to do right by her
Good luck!
     
    06-12-2012, 08:09 PM
  #18
Green Broke
My computer is slow at the moment so I can't remember the first page perfectly, so sorry if this has been addressed. Though it is probably behavioural and/or lack of practise at cantering. Has this horse been checked for pain. One of mine can go a bit nutto if he is in pain even if he seemed fine before that moment.
     
    06-12-2012, 10:48 PM
  #19
Yearling
+1 on making sure the horse isn't in pain. I'd check the saddle fit and the horse's teeth - especially since the critter came from an auction. Is the horse flinchy at all when you rub her back? Not saying this isn't behavioral - could be - but it's important to rule out pain first...not all the awesome groundwork and training will help if it hurts to canter...
     
    06-12-2012, 11:41 PM
  #20
Foal
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Originally Posted by ThursdayNext    
+1 on making sure the horse isn't in pain. I'd check the saddle fit and the horse's teeth - especially since the critter came from an auction. Is the horse flinchy at all when you rub her back? Not saying this isn't behavioral - could be - but it's important to rule out pain first...not all the awesome groundwork and training will help if it hurts to canter...
My husband was wondering about her mouth; when I asked him to put his fingers in her mouth because I can feel a small piece of tooth in the gum where there should be a space, he said she doesn't have her wolf teeth, which he thought was really odd. He then noticed our other new horse didn't have his, either. Is that something normal? We didn't think so. I'm wondering if the bit is hitting that small piece of tooth, and he's wondering if the bit needs to go up higher than normal because there isn't a tooth for quite a ways back? We did notice she was favoring her front right leg last week and the week before, but it seemed to have been all better this past week. He noticed that she has no hollow in her hooves, so she's got almost completely flat frogs all the way around. He was saying we should get her shoed to help that as soon as possible. The favoring on the one leg looked like it was due to a gouge/crack in the very back of her front right hoof. We treated all her feet with hoof treatment for a few days in a row, and that's completely healed now, it looks like. She definitely isn't flinching anywhere else...the first thing I do for every visit since the first day is rub her all over, to spoil her and make sure she's used to me touching her everywhere. BTW, she didn't come from a big bunch of horses at the auction; the guy said he lived 20 miles down the road, locally, which I thought helped the odds. Said he had 23 horses and needed to pare down a bit. He only had the one at the auction. Said she rode trail rides a lot.
     

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