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        06-13-2012, 12:10 AM
      #21
    Weanling
    Most mares don't have wolf teeth and not all geldings have them either. I just learned that mares don't usually have canine teeth either although they can have what they call tushes, I guess that's sort of like a canine that didn't develop all the way.

    I know when I lunged my mare she went into the canter very powerfully and I was pretty sure that it was going to be kind of rough which it was, but my friend assured me that it will get better with more riding.
         
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        06-13-2012, 01:24 AM
      #22
    Yearling
    OP, I agree she is testing you. Correct her when she is misbehaving. She knows better, so you could try a spank with a crop, but it sounds like she may just react to a spank with more bad behavior, which is what my testy QH does. So the other way to correct is with more work.

    More work is lots of turning, like small circles, s curves, figure 8's, etc. Make her work near the area they want to be(barn, gate) and rest away from it.

    If she ever does something that makes you feel unsafe, jump off and make her work on the ground (lunge small circles, yield front and hind, backing up). Be intense (not angry)and make her move! I always kept my mares halter and lead rope on and wrapped on the saddle horn so I can jump off and work her at any moment. I was recovering from an accident and just didn't feel confident when she would threaten to buck and rear. I still don't think it's worth the risk of injury, so I hop off whenever I feel unsafe.

    The other thing I want to share is that April also had a terrible canter. She kicked out and I thought she was going to buck. Even when she was honestly trying, she was so rough I was afraid I would fall. I read somewhere that riding up a hill could be helpful. So I found a nice hill in a neighbor's orchard, not too steep, gradual and inviting. The very first day, first time, there was great improvement! We worked that hill every day, starting short and going longer to build her strength. She actually seemed to enjoy the hill as she hated the arena!

    April is a great horse now, beautiful canter. She only tests me a little and quickly gets in line. And I feel like I can handle anything without fear because I just get off.
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        06-13-2012, 01:28 AM
      #23
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chandra1313    
    Most mares don't have wolf teeth and not all geldings have them either. I just learned that mares don't usually have canine teeth either although they can have what they call tushes, I guess that's sort of like a canine that didn't develop all the way.

    I know when I lunged my mare she went into the canter very powerfully and I was pretty sure that it was going to be kind of rough which it was, but my friend assured me that it will get better with more riding.


    My husband says that's quite possible, since he's mostly dealt with geldings/stallions on the two ranches he worked on. I'm still worried just a little about that little piece of tooth sticking up... it ends up right in front of the bit. So we probably shouldn't raise the bit higher because of the teeth situation then, since you say it's normal. She has just slight wrinkling, which is the way both of us were taught to bit a horse.

    I'm just going to lunge the hell out of her, working hard on her canter...see if she improves. Also, lol, want her a bit tired before I hop on from now on until I can be sure she won't get nutty again!
         
        06-13-2012, 01:32 AM
      #24
    Green Broke
    Have you had a vet or dentist see her? It can make a big difference.
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        06-13-2012, 01:40 AM
      #25
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tiffanyodonnell    
    OP, I agree she is testing you. Correct her when she is misbehaving. She knows better, so you could try a spank with a crop, but it sounds like she may just react to a spank with more bad behavior, which is what my testy QH does. So the other way to correct is with more work.

    More work is lots of turning, like small circles, s curves, figure 8's, etc. Make her work near the area they want to be(barn, gate) and rest away from it.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tiffanyodonnell    


    If she ever does something that makes you feel unsafe, jump off and make her work on the ground (lunge small circles, yield front and hind, backing up). Be intense (not angry)and make her move! I always kept my mares halter and lead rope on and wrapped on the saddle horn so I can jump off and work her at any moment. I was recovering from an accident and just didn't feel confident when she would threaten to buck and rear. I still don't think it's worth the risk of injury, so I hop off whenever I feel unsafe.


    The other thing I want to share is that April also had a terrible canter. She kicked out and I thought she was going to buck. Even when she was honestly trying, she was so rough I was afraid I would fall. I read somewhere that riding up a hill could be helpful. So I found a nice hill in a neighbor's orchard, not too steep, gradual and inviting. The very first day, first time, there was great improvement! We worked that hill every day, starting short and going longer to build her strength. She actually seemed to enjoy the hill as she hated the arena!


    April is a great horse now, beautiful canter. She only tests me a little and quickly gets in line. And I feel like I can handle anything without fear because I just get off.

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    Wow! That information was so helpful, especially sharing your situation, which is exactly how I feel right now (even without the accident). Thank you so much, I'm going to take all of your suggestions and implement them! My husband just said he didn't think jumping off would help, he thought it would reinforce that the bad behavior works, but since you have the lead and halter right on to IMMEDIATELY work her, that makes a big difference in my mind. I feel much more encouraged! FABULOUS... THANK YOU TIFFANY! ...now, to find a hill...
         
        06-13-2012, 01:45 AM
      #26
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by apachewhitesox    
    Have you had a vet or dentist see her? It can make a big difference.


    I have not had a vet or dentist see her, but I will be doing that soon.
         
        06-13-2012, 03:11 AM
      #27
    Yearling
    No offense, but I think you answered your own question in the first sentence.
         
        06-13-2012, 07:27 AM
      #28
    Yearling
    It's not so much that I think she is a problem because she came from an auction, but it seems like a fair number of horses that wind up at auctions haven't been properly cared for in the period before that - many of them seem not to have had visits from the farrier and the dentist, in particular. That's what I'm wondering...do you know when this horse last saw the dentist? My guy (who is 18) needs to see the dentist every 8 or 9 weeks or he winds up with ramps that make his bit and bridle less comfortable than it ought to be. He's got to see the farrier at around the same intervals.

    I also agree with the people who pointed out that it may be that the horse needs to muscle-up and get more fit before cantering. This is a pretty aerobically-demanding exercise, and if your horse hasn't been doing much of that, it's going to need to smart small and work up.

    But it still sounds like it's time for a trip from the dentist and the farrier - get a good trim and an opinion about whether shoes are needed.
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        06-13-2012, 08:42 AM
      #29
    Weanling
    My mare although bred to have muscles was surely out of shape having been a broodmare for 7 years. So I definitely think that working them and getting them in shape will help their canter.

    I don't know about your area but a dental float around my parts cost about 70dollars and definitely encourage you to get your mare one. I'am myself planning on my mare getting one, the vet last year said her teeth were fine but she is 13 and hasn't had one in quite awhile. The hardest part for me is I have to drive her 2hrs roundtrip to a vet who does it, my regular vet doesn't ;-(

    The hill idea is a great one. I learnt how to canter for longer periods of time in a roundpen, but my first attempts at a canter were on a nice uphill area and my husband would ride out in front so that if I couldn't get the horse to stop, (more my fear) The mare I did this with has a nice canter but because I wasn't there myself, at first I felt like I was bouncing around so I would reach back and grab the cantle to pull myself deeper into the saddle as I learnt to move with the horse, it helped alot and I don't have to do that anymore.
         
        06-14-2012, 12:27 AM
      #30
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ian McDonald    
    No offense, but I think you answered your own question in the first sentence.


    Which first sentence would that be?
         

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