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    10-25-2012, 01:14 PM
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Hiring an outside rider? Legalities/Concerns/advice.

I'm seriously considering hiring an outside rider to come ride my two quarter horses for me. I work two jobs and attended 18 hours of college classes and I am beginning to fall behind in my classes because I am riding more than I should trying to get my horses to a healthy weight and muscle size. I think it would help immensely if someone could just ride them for a few hours a week so I could have some time to do work and school stuff.

Plus, they are young horses and without regular riding they start to get lazy and pick up bad habits that I would rather them not have.

I think it will be on a volunteer basis with "payment" being free use of horses, equipment, private trails and lessons from me. I am hoping I can find someone who loves horses and wants to ride, but doesn't have a horse or area to ride in.

At this point this is just an idea... I am sort of wondering about the legalities of the situation. I had a friend come ride one of my horses once and the horse changed her lead and the girl thought she was about to buck and jumped off and broke her arm.

They didn't sue or anything, but I'm not sure who would be held responsible for that. It seems like they would because if someone was driving my car an wrecked it... It wouldn't be my fault.

Should I draw up a release? Or contract? Should I always be around to supervise? It amazes me how little some people know about horses when they really know nothing, and I don't want a person like that riding them. But I'm okay with a semi-beginner.


I'm not sure if they are "beginner" horses.

My bay horse rides wherever you want to go just fine. Neck reins like a dream, she is a Cadillac. But, she is fast. She likes to go go go and usually that is fine with me. She also likes to crow hop at a canter. I've never been bucked off and she isn't entirely serious about it, but it could be scary for a beginner.

Does anyone else have an outside rider exercise their horses? Is it even a good idea? I'm trying to think of all the pros and cons and a lot of you have a ton of good ideas.
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    10-25-2012, 01:17 PM
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Why not do a free on-farm lease? Much easier to find the paperwork and you won't have to pay anything.


Side note: I think people jump off horses way too eagerly. Doesn't always end well for the rider!
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    10-25-2012, 01:22 PM
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Why not do a free on-farm lease? Much easier to find the paperwork and you won't have to pay anything.


Side note: I think people jump off horses way too eagerly. Doesn't always end well for the rider!
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Never heard of a free on farm lease? Would I basicay lease out my horses?

The only think I'm not really crazy about it someone taking them off my property (as in trailering them) to another location to ride unless I am there.

And yeah, People bail off much too easily. Every time a horse crow hops and someone bails off they just teach the horse that hopping around gets the rider off. I've seen so many horses like that.
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    10-25-2012, 01:27 PM
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I am an outside rider who started as a lease so I have that contract regarding liability. I get to use a wonderful horse whenever I want w/o the expense of ownership and their girl gets the attention she needs. It's perfect, I'm very lucky!! I started as a beginner and proved myself that I'm serious abt being there, following the rules and learning the ropes. 2 yrs later I'm still here, I've made great friends and it's like a 2nd home!
     
    10-25-2012, 01:30 PM
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Well with leasing you can pretty much do whatever arrangement you want.

You can lease your horse but keep him where he is. The person would come and ride X times per week. You could have them pay a small fee just to keep things in the up and up (and who couldn't use money) but you could also offer it free (may get less desirable people). Same setup as a traditional lease - you still retain control - just the horse doesn't go elsewhere. My old barn had several and my current barn has several on-farm leases where people basically leased the horse, had a certain number of agreed upon rides per week and paid the owner a fee to do it.
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    10-25-2012, 01:31 PM
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We found ourselves in a similar situation when our son went away to Uni. I wasnt sure that I wanted to have an extra horse to work on a regular basis and we couldnt bring ourselves to face the worries of selling her.
I wanted total control of things so a lease arrangement wasnt an option for us so we looked for someone who would just come and ride several times a week understanding that during his holidays that would not be possible. I was willing to pay.
My insurance company would cover all costs of any accident - medical etc and we were advised - which we did - to draw up a contract in which any rider agreed to understand all the risks involved in handling and riding a horse.
I will say that we were unsuccessful in finding the right person so I hope you have better luck
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    10-25-2012, 01:32 PM
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I am not a lawyer so I am not giving advice of any kind, but if you search online for an equine activity release and hold harmless agreement, you might find examples of the type of release you mentioned in your OP.
     
    10-25-2012, 02:54 PM
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I think I definitely need a release of harm or something, just in case.

Hopefully I can find the right person. I live in a small town so I've decided they can probably ride for free. The demographic around here is pretty poor, and I don't want to have someone drive from an hour away just to ride.

I like the lease idea but I feel a little odd about my high dollar horses being "leased" to someone else. What if I need them for a rodeo and it is on that persons scheduled day to ride? Who would have say over that?
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    10-25-2012, 03:03 PM
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Everything that could be a problem should be discussed and laid out in writing. If your rider normally has Mon-Wed-Sat but you have a rodeo on Sat, write up and discuss an alternate. Maybe the rider would get an extra day the week before or after, or a different day that week. Be sure to note that rides missed are rides missed and don't stack into a pool for use later but you will accommodate when you can.

If you want them to use your tack that's good, but allow them things like stirrups/leathers and reins (that they provide) because its nice not to have to change the stirrup length and sometimes some reins don't feel comfortable.

Like I said....anything goes here. You can even restrict the type of treats or just about anything else!
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    10-25-2012, 03:07 PM
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Spell everything out in the lease.

The horse stays on your property. The rider can ride on these days, which said days will be swapped on the week you have a rodeo. Who pays if the horse is injured while the leasee is riding. That you are not responsible if the leasee is injured.

Etc. Etc. Write down everything you can think of in the lease. Then it's in writing and no one is guessing.
     

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