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    01-04-2013, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
I can agree with the above advice, if there is room to turn the horse in a very tight circle, but the OP says there is not room for that.

As far as the horse backing into a bush, let her. If she gets herself a pinch on the fanny, she'll want to go forward more.
Yeah, thought that too....once again, scared of the whole leaping forward thing.....I guess I need to try it and get over it!
     
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    01-04-2013, 12:27 AM
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I don't know if you saw or read my advice... But it's just what I've found to work the best. Has worked better than anything else I've tried
     
    01-04-2013, 12:34 AM
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Yes, you need to be ready for the leap forward and like Wallaby said, give enough rein so she won't get bopped in the mouth.

If your horse is balking out on the trail, then you might want to improve her responsiveness overall, in an arena where you can more easily deal with her .
She may be less responsive to you all the time than you really recognize.

I know we all accept less from our horses than they could give us if we were willing to demand no less. Well, I know I do. Maybe not others.
So, when things like that start cropping up, it usually means I've gotten really sloppy in what I'll accept in other areas, too.
Time to sharpen up my expectations, and GET what I asked for, and promptly. Often times, then when my horse balks out on the trial, all I have to do is literally rais the crop and he says, "OH, right. I remember, you're serious, aren't you?"
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    01-04-2013, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Nokotaheaven    
Try working with her on it where there is room... So you can work on it, see what will push her to not want to go foreward in a space with lots of room, and when she backs up go "Oh, you want to back up? Okay, lets back up!" and lean back, and pull your rains back hard so she has to back up fast and hard for at least 10 steps, or at least till she gives in to the bit.
Also it's possible she's backing up because she's afraid. If this is the case, when she stops let her stand there for a minute to check out her surroundings. If she wants to take a step foreword of sniff something, let her, it's building her confidence. After standing for a minute ask for another step. If she wants to back up let her take a step or two back, but don't let her turn another direction with her front or rear end. Then ask her for another step. Repeat this and it will build her confidence, and her trust in you. If it is fear, then there is a threshold, and she's too scared to cross it, so you need to help her cross it
Thanks...I had missed your post. The event happens out of fear. I am slowly taking her out on trails. We have to go over a berm to get to the trails from the ranch. Once we are up there, there is little room to maneuver without tumbling down a rocky 15 foot hill. It has also happend going on narrow trails and we meet mud or something...she will back into the bushes.

I have taken her out on trails leading her and times, when under saddle, not played hero and gotten off...BUT, making her do the obstacle anyway....which she is fine doing. It just seems her confidence is still a little lacking while I am in the saddle still.
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    01-04-2013, 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
Yes, you need to be ready for the leap forward and like Wallaby said, give enough rein so she won't get bopped in the mouth.

If your horse is balking out on the trail, then you might want to improve her responsiveness overall, in an arena where you can more easily deal with her .
She may be less responsive to you all the time than you really recognize.

I know we all accept less from our horses than they could give us if we were willing to demand no less. Well, I know I do. Maybe not others.
So, when things like that start cropping up, it usually means I've gotten really sloppy in what I'll accept in other areas, too.
Time to sharpen up my expectations, and GET what I asked for, and promptly. Often times, then when my horse balks out on the trial, all I have to do is literally rais the crop and he says, "OH, right. I remember, you're serious, aren't you?"
You are right....it's me with the lack of confidence, which leads her to the lack in confidence. So, I have to practice getting over my OWN issues. She is very responsive to me, willing and coopertive in the usual surroundings. However, that is also where I am most confident in asking for those things too. So, we both lose that confidence once we cross that threshold into the unknown.
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    01-04-2013, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Oldhorselady    
Thanks...I had missed your post. The event happens out of fear. I am slowly taking her out on trails. We have to go over a berm to get to the trails from the ranch. Once we are up there, there is little room to maneuver without tumbling down a rocky 15 foot hill. It has also happend going on narrow trails and we meet mud or something...she will back into the bushes.

I have taken her out on trails leading her and times, when under saddle, not played hero and gotten off...BUT, making her do the obstacle anyway....which she is fine doing. It just seems her confidence is still a little lacking while I am in the saddle still.
Alright. An idea is, if she's afraid of mud, grab a bucket of water or something and create your own mud puddle in an open area, and work with her on it there.
Also, a lot of times we don't realize it, but we ourselves can cause the issue. Often times people see something coming and they expect the horse to react a certain way, so (usually without realizing it) people tense up, and the horses sense and feel the fear and go 'OMG MY RIDER'S AFRAID!!!!" and get at least as afraid as you are. So when there's a conflict, remember to check yourself to make sure you're nice and calm and relaxed, because your horse can't be if you aren't
     
    01-04-2013, 01:02 AM
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Alright. An idea is, if she's afraid of mud, grab a bucket of water or something and create your own mud puddle in an open area, and work with her on it there.
Also, a lot of times we don't realize it, but we ourselves can cause the issue. Often times people see something coming and they expect the horse to react a certain way, so (usually without realizing it) people tense up, and the horses sense and feel the fear and go 'OMG MY RIDER'S AFRAID!!!!" and get at least as afraid as you are. So when there's a conflict, remember to check yourself to make sure you're nice and calm and relaxed, because your horse can't be if you aren't
She will actually cross mud and water normally! Maybe because it was a tighter area on a trail with no end in sight of mud or it smelled different than the trail when it was always dry? But, the big factor is probably that I see the obstacle and tense up.

I will try keeping a crop with me and do our normal riding around the ranch with obstacles and getting coordinated with asking her to go forward and anticipate the leaping forward. I think that will help tremendously. Thanks everyone!
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    01-04-2013, 01:05 AM
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Let us know how it goes! :)
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    01-04-2013, 01:05 AM
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She will actually cross mud and water normally! Maybe because it was a tighter area on a trail with no end in sight of mud or it smelled different than the trail when it was always dry? But, the big factor is probably that I see the obstacle and tense up.

I will try keeping a crop with me and do our normal riding around the ranch with obstacles and getting coordinated with asking her to go forward and anticipate the leaping forward. I think that will help tremendously. Thanks everyone!
Ok. Well one more idea is to make a mud puddle and put tallish objects on either side of it to create a squeeze area like the trail possibly would
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    01-04-2013, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldhorselady    
Thanks for that! I will have to try that. I usually don't carry a crop since I am so not coordinated with holding one and not having it going every direction....but attaching it to the saddle and only holding it to use briefly would be good.
That's what I do with our Appy, he likes to try and balk every now and then while trail riding. More then than now as I've worked with him to correct that issue. I just clip it to the front ring on the saddle-and let him see I have it that way my hands are free while we trail ride. As others have stated, you just have to be ready for that forward motion and make sure you aren't inadvertently bumping the horse in the mouth.
     

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