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post #21 of 31 Old 08-17-2013, 04:22 PM
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...he'll naturally lower his head & find that that's the most comfortable way to carry you.
Is it, though? I'll grant that since I'm not a horse, I'm in no position to give a really authoritive answer, but it does look uncomfortable to me.
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post #22 of 31 Old 08-17-2013, 07:28 PM
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Usually when my horse lowers its head I get it into an active trot or walk to wake them up. If rising trot is troublesome, start with a sitting trot. If you find sitting trot annoying ( I don't like it at all XD) walk, and work on getting your horse to raise its head some more.
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Usually when my horse lowers its head I get it into an active trot or walk to wake them up. If rising trot is troublesome, start with a sitting trot. If you find sitting trot annoying ( I don't like it at all XD) walk, and work on getting your horse to raise its head some more.
I disagree with you on the sitting trot part. If the horse isn't strong/balanced enough to carry a rider at the rising/working trot you can't expect the horse to carry a rider at the sitting trot comfortably.
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post #24 of 31 Old 08-19-2013, 03:47 PM
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You're right on the money there Smguidotti!!

If you are sitting on the back of a horse who is not yet strong or balanced enough to pick up its back of its own accord, you will start to cause damage. Especially if you find stirring trot 'annoying' at which I would assume you do not have a text book perfect, balanced, soft sitting trot.
Once you start bouncing, you are punishing the horse in the back. I would rather see a horse having its mouth yanked or spur holes in its sides, than have it punished in the back.
To encourage a longer, looser frame the horse MUST have a soft back!
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post #25 of 31 Old 08-19-2013, 05:32 PM
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FWIW: "The horse's back was just as extended whenever the rider was sitting, whether they were doing a sitting trot or during the sitting phase of the rising trot. They didn't expect that. However, during the rising phase of the trot, the back was almost, but not quite, up to the same level as the unridden horse..."

The effect of rising and sitting trot on back movements and head-neck position of the horse P. De Cocq, H. Prinsen, N.C.N. Springer, P.R. Van Weeren, M. Schreuder, M. Muller, J.L. Van Leeuwen Equine Veterinary Journal, (2009) 41 (5) 423-247, as discussed on this web page:

Yup, riding a horse does make his back extend...

Basically, if your weight is in the saddle, the back sags some amount. During a posting trot, when the rider is up, the effect on the back is minimal - the least amount of sag. I'd love to see a study of a rider in two-point. In two-point, the saddle is free to pivot with the movement of the back - I'm wondering if that isn't responsible for some of the lifting (or lessened sagging) seen in the study.

Of course, that assumes the rider is posting correctly, and not just dropping onto the horse's back like a pile of rocks...

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post #26 of 31 Old 08-19-2013, 10:02 PM
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The ideal picture isn't really ideal, because it's static. The rule of thumb is that the horse's mouth/bit should not sink below the horse's hip - a horizontal line, therefore, from mouth to hip bone - yet there will be constant small veerings off that on the flat, as well as going behind the vertical momentarily, which are to be allowed, since the horse is simply always trying to keep from falling down under the rider. Then, too, it depends upon the activity: GM saying to give the horse its head utterly whilst jumping is right, because again the horse WILL try to keep himself safe in what he's being put to.
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I've been working her on a loose rein, and she's been much better behaved without pulling me forward. I think that was the problem (I sheepishly admit) because she moves at a lot more balanced pace. I'd just been holding the reins where my previous trainer told me to. And I was right with the pain issue. My mare isn't in any type of pain at all. My vet came out to give her vacs and he said that she just has an attitude. She isn't in any type of pain.
And for those of you who have mares- I'm starting a new thread Im going to title "should I use mare magic?" Please advise me on that too. Thanks :)
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I don't mean to hijack your thread, but I would love some advice on a similar issue. I've been riding an older horse who used to be a show hunter. I notice (and more at the trot) he will lean on my hands. At first, I had thought it was just that he lacked muscles to keep him balanced (I began riding him to get him in shape) and I didn't fight with him over it too much, just gave him a loose rein and figured he would have to re-learn to balance himself. But it's been over a month now of several times weekly riding and he still leans if I ask for contact. I don't want to frustrate him by giving him conflicting aids or make him hard-mouthed. I'm a beginner rider and when I asked the instructor at that barn, she said he does that to everyone and just to set my hands and not let them move until he gives up (which he does a little, but it takes a lot). What should I do? I might want to show him walk/trot in the spring and it would look a lot better if he wasn't trying to pull me out of the saddle

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Haha and people thought I was crazy! No problem faiza. Hopefully we can help you out :)
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Smart horse! He pulls, you drop the reins, he can be lazy. Your horse is training you very effectively faiza!!
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