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    07-07-2008, 11:05 AM
  #11
Weanling
Hmm, well, personally, while I don't like the idea of slaughering a horse because he's not living up to his potential, as it sounds so ugly.BUUUUTTT,

Everything that lives must die at some point and suffering is hard to define sometimes. Being deprived of basic living rights-food, water, shelter and companionship. Yes, it's cruel. Having to suffer immense physical pain, cruel as well.

Working for a living-i.e. Racing, jumping or pulling wagon? Not cruel, if the animal is compensated for it and not abused with overwork, beatings, etc. I have to work and work hard, my body takes a beating some days, but that's life.

I don't think it's cruel for a horse to be put down, in and of itself. If the animal isn't forced to endure long standing pain during the death. Like I said, all life comes to an end at some point. I think a rubber bullet is kinder than being ripped to shreds by a predator. I think euthansia by chemical meds can inflict pain and fear as it takes longer than a bullet. Starving or freezing to death is much worse, or at least I'd prefer for someone to end it for me with a bullet than any of the other mentioned ways. I also don't see how it's cruel to be eaten. Humans don't eat horse flesh before it's dead. Once a body is dead, it's neutral. Personally, I'd RATHER them be processed and utilized one last time than to think of them rotting, and contaminating the air and water, and what do you do with the carcasses? They can't all be buried. In nature ,they would be eaten, probably the meal would start before they were completely dead.

A horse being raised for human service or entertainment is not cruelty in my eyes. Humans dominate the world, we control other species. Horse get hurt, by accident or when serving people. It's not pretty, and we should do what we can to minimize the injuries. But you can't wrap them in bubble wrap and keep them alive forever. Commercial slaughter may be scary, but horses get scared of loading in trailers, or of flapping trash bags, etc. To them, it's no less horrifying than anything else they ever percieve as danger, yet we purposely expose them to scary things to "train" them to accept them.

Horses, as much as I hate to say it, are just animals. No better than any other, we as humans favor them, so we put more value in what we think they percieve as suffering. Yet we think nothing of a cow's view on being slaughtered and eaten, or the spiders we crush on our walls. We just don't see them as valuable to us so don't think about how cruel it might be to be crushed alive..I think horses get it a little easier BECAUSE we breed them for our use. Hunters kill deer...they don't get a clean shot to the head, but we don't raise them as pets...I feel that if deer were domesticated, we would concentrate more on a "painless" death for them (and I'm in no way taking an anti-hunting stance-I am all for hunting and yes, I squash bugs) So is a horse's "slaughter" any worse than any other death? It's all relative. I'd rather slaughter them then watch them waste away with all their aches and pains.

Eating them..I couldn't eat my own horse, I'm much to sentimental. But I COULD eat a burger knowing it's horsemeat. It's just food.

I hope nobody is offended by my comments, that's just my own view.
     
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    07-07-2008, 11:08 AM
  #12
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Originally Posted by PoptartShop
There was no problem- that's the point, we don't want any. :)
Well now there is a problem! How DARE you assume we would get out of line, out of hand, out of...

Teehee... kidding!
     
    07-07-2008, 12:44 PM
  #13
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Originally Posted by barefoothooves
Hmm, well, personally, while I don't like the idea of slaughering a horse because he's not living up to his potential, as it sounds so ugly.BUUUUTTT,

Everything that lives must die at some point and suffering is hard to define sometimes. Being deprived of basic living rights-food, water, shelter and companionship. Yes, it's cruel. Having to suffer immense physical pain, cruel as well.

Working for a living-i.e. Racing, jumping or pulling wagon? Not cruel, if the animal is compensated for it and not abused with overwork, beatings, etc. I have to work and work hard, my body takes a beating some days, but that's life.

I don't think it's cruel for a horse to be put down, in and of itself. If the animal isn't forced to endure long standing pain during the death. Like I said, all life comes to an end at some point. I think a rubber bullet is kinder than being ripped to shreds by a predator. I think euthansia by chemical meds can inflict pain and fear as it takes longer than a bullet. Starving or freezing to death is much worse, or at least I'd prefer for someone to end it for me with a bullet than any of the other mentioned ways. I also don't see how it's cruel to be eaten. Humans don't eat horse flesh before it's dead. Once a body is dead, it's neutral. Personally, I'd RATHER them be processed and utilized one last time than to think of them rotting, and contaminating the air and water, and what do you do with the carcasses? They can't all be buried. In nature ,they would be eaten, probably the meal would start before they were completely dead.

A horse being raised for human service or entertainment is not cruelty in my eyes. Humans dominate the world, we control other species. Horse get hurt, by accident or when serving people. It's not pretty, and we should do what we can to minimize the injuries. But you can't wrap them in bubble wrap and keep them alive forever. Commercial slaughter may be scary, but horses get scared of loading in trailers, or of flapping trash bags, etc. To them, it's no less horrifying than anything else they ever percieve as danger, yet we purposely expose them to scary things to "train" them to accept them.

Horses, as much as I hate to say it, are just animals. No better than any other, we as humans favor them, so we put more value in what we think they percieve as suffering. Yet we think nothing of a cow's view on being slaughtered and eaten, or the spiders we crush on our walls. We just don't see them as valuable to us so don't think about how cruel it might be to be crushed alive..I think horses get it a little easier BECAUSE we breed them for our use. Hunters kill deer...they don't get a clean shot to the head, but we don't raise them as pets...I feel that if deer were domesticated, we would concentrate more on a "painless" death for them (and I'm in no way taking an anti-hunting stance-I am all for hunting and yes, I squash bugs) So is a horse's "slaughter" any worse than any other death? It's all relative. I'd rather slaughter them then watch them waste away with all their aches and pains.

Eating them..I couldn't eat my own horse, I'm much to sentimental. But I COULD eat a burger knowing it's horsemeat. It's just food.

I hope nobody is offended by my comments, that's just my own view.
I agree with your thoughts. I couldnt eat my own horse, but growing up we did raise cattle, goats, sheep, rabbits, and chickens and ate them...even after I showed them in 4-H. Horse racing is just a form of a horse sport. What about breaking out a 18 month-old horse to be in the show pen within a few months to do anything from western, english, barrel racing etc....their bones and joints arent ready for that, wouldn't that be flagged as cruel? It is sad to see that a less then 10 year old horse having to have injections in the hocks or what not because of being started out too early just so that some one can make a profit...
     
    07-29-2008, 03:27 AM
  #14
Foal
The reality of it is, any horse, coming from any industry, can be slaughtered or sold an auction to an unwelcoming environment to say the least.
The only problems I have with racing, is;
1. All the horses run together not in separate partitians causing trip overs/falls
2. The TB's are raced too young, 2 years is not long enough for the body to develop properly to be strong enough to take on the impact of the fast work
3. Racing TB's have no additional training therefore after their racing career no one wants them if they're only trained in one area, causing more of them to be slaughtered

Possibly more but can't think right now, will get back to this
     
    07-29-2008, 07:34 PM
  #15
Yearling
I live in Canada. A show did a piece on horse slaughter here a while ago and let me tell you it wasn't pretty. They are basically breaking all the rules in the book because they're overloaded with all the horses from the US, and the authorities don't care. What gets me is that the people who eat horsemeat as a delicacy probably don't realize the situation is so bad here it's not even sanitary. The report said they think meat from Canada is "better" somehow.

As to racing, I could have become a jockey - The way the sport is now I'm very glad I didn't. And it's too bad, because racing is the most natural thing in the world for a horse.
     
    07-30-2008, 01:04 AM
  #16
Foal
I'm not against racing as a sport, just some of the people who push the horse until it's broken, then throw it away.

I agree with barefoothooves though. And we all view cruelty in different ways.
     
    08-02-2008, 08:49 AM
  #17
Chat Moderator
I agree with both Angel-Leaguer and Barefoothooves. That is nothing worse in my mind seeing an animal suffering.

There is another side of the debate. The amish man HooverH spoke of, a working rancher, the race horse breeder, and various others use these horse for their living not enjoyment. These people don't care less their animals. Each animal they own must pull its own weight, or it leaves. Of course, accidents and sickness do happen, if the animal can recover, great. But, if is no hope for a recoveray at all, a quick death seems kinder to me ,at least.

In fact, I heard that herds of horse have been turned loose in the eastern part of my home state, mostly in bad shape. I guess the coyotes will have a feild day, if true. The owner had no other way.

Angel_Leaguer, I growup on a farm similar to yours, cow/calf and feedlot. I guess that's where I got alot of my veiws. I'm sorry if ticked anyone off. But, if the animals are calm at and up to the point of slaughter, their will be a better meat, more tender, any way.
     
    08-03-2008, 08:22 PM
  #18
Weanling
I think horse racing can and can't be cruelity. I know alot of people who have race horses and ex racehorses. The people that I know who have race horses, treat their horses like royalty!

The race horses get
1. Smoothies in the summer and hot mash in the winter
2. Lots of turnout, depending on the weather (they don't go out in storms)
3. Full body exam after every workout and race
4. When retired they are sold to good homes (properties visited) or they are donated to rehabilitation centers if something has happened...one horse had epm and was donated and they kept contact with the center and still get pics of the horse

The rescued horses come in
1.Abused
2.Skinny
3.Wormy
4.Sore


So it all depends on who starts the horses, the owners, and where the horses go after they are retired.
     
    08-04-2008, 03:17 PM
  #19
Chat Moderator
I have found that is true in almost everything, including rough stock animals (horses and bulls)
     
    08-05-2008, 03:27 PM
  #20
Weanling
I'm not against it, because most of the horses that race, in both harness (what I've seen more of) and in the flat, as well as in steeplechase, absolutely LOVE to run. For most of them, it's not a matter of being forced to do it, they WANT to do it. But, there are a few things I'd want to be changed:

1. Horses to be raced no younger than 4 years of age, they can be ridden and trained earlier, but raced at that age.
2. Every care is given to ensure the maximum amount of safety for both horse and rider.
3. Horses can keep racing past their "prime", but in "veteran" races.
OR 4. Every racehorse (unless a huge injury prevents them) is given a chance for a great life in a new or different sport.
5. If the horse doesn't want to race, DON'T Make him!
     

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