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post #1 of 45 Old 03-23-2012, 07:25 PM Thread Starter
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Red face Horse rolls under saddle sometimes...

Hi :) I own a gelding named Mystery who's in his 20's.
Basically, he was in a riding school for about 7 years but got fed up and rolled riders off... i took him on after he had a year break and it took me months to get him to stop. Its a year later and he hadn't done it in ages..
2 weeks ago he decided he didn't feel like school work and dropped down on the ground, luckily I reogiznied this and got off on time! Btw we are at a new yard now and have been there about 5 months.

My confidence has suffered, I also am very upset as I thought he trusted me but obviously he has no respect for me..
I give him into lots of trouble when he does it, I usually get back on but he does it again and I give him a tap on the bum with the whip, which usually stops him but I want to find some method of him never doing it again!

I've heard something, but want to know everyone's opinion on this..

Is it true if you let the horse roll but then make them stay down.. it will stop them? I heard this is very effective.

Would really like some help as I have hardly any confidence left
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post #2 of 45 Old 03-23-2012, 07:29 PM
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I would say when he does it, give him a really good whack with a whip. Not just a tap, a CRACK! It'll make him think twice about doing it a second time.

I haven't heard of that method... Sounds almost like the 'throwing down' method.
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Yeah I was lunging him this week and he tried it twice with his tack on and I give him a smack, he didn't try it again :) it's just getting my confidence back..
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I'm also going to agree, not just a tap a HUGE smack. Also work with him on the ground, do groundwork, and just get his feet moving. Teach him respect. Good luck with him :).
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post #5 of 45 Old 03-24-2012, 01:25 AM
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When his knees start to buckle then you give him a really really hard kick with both legs and you use your whip three or four times as hard as you can behind your leg. Then you make him canter several circles before coming back to a walk.
That way he knows if he goes to roll he will be punished and worked hard for it.
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A horse on my horsecamp did that and the camp instructors were yelling "KICK HER IN THE GUTS" that worked, but it wouldn't be to my taste personally.

This might sound wierd, but I wonder if you could teach him to lie down on command.. My thinking being that if he does it, make him get up, then lie down over and over again until he realises it's a chore not fun. A girl I know did this with her horse that bucked, taught the horse to buck on command and everytime it bucked she would give it the command non-stop and it worked. Takes time though.

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HollyBubbles, that's really clever. I might have to try that.

To the OP: Yes, as soon as your horse heads down, a crack with the whip and lots of work should do the trick. As you said, he stopped doing it when you gave him the crack while lunging, so it should work while you are in the saddle. Another thing to note: don't let him feel that you are predicting him to roll or that you are low in confidence. This will give him the opportunity to roll when you don't need/ want him to.

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post #8 of 45 Old 03-24-2012, 08:55 AM
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Catch the down/roll BEFORE it becomes a down/roll. As you have seen, they don't just up and fall over, there are several signs (granted, some can be fairly subtle) that the thought has entered their mind. The trick is, as soon as he shows those signs you give him something else to think about - MOVING HIS BUTT. This is not the time to suggest he move off, this is the time to DEMAND that he move off, and NOW. If he is moving off at a rapid pace it is impossible for him to lay down. Repeat this enough and he will start to equate the urge to lay down while under saddle with additional work, that will make it rather unappealing and will likely create a change in his inclinations.
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My curly does this whenever we ride in deep sand. Curlies love to roll in sand, if he tries, i kick, kick, kick and pull him one way with my rein. Then get out of the sand as fast as possible. Lol
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I like to play the game but I don't tell the horse I'm changing the rules. It's not so much a respect issue, he's fed up to the hilt with ring work. Give the old boy a break and take him on a leisurely trail ride. He is old and lying down may be his way of saving himself when he's tired. His body doesn't function as well as a younger horse. At his age he shouldn't have to be lunged. I'm wondering how many circles he's done in thsoe 20+ years. If he lays down while you are riding, just get off and put weight on his neck so he can't get up. Take your crop and just tap him in various places, not so much to hurt but to make it unpleasant. He will want to get up after a few minutes but keep him there. There should be a big sigh which indicates he's given up. A horse that's kept down feels vulnerable to attack. When you let him up, be in the saddle.
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