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    10-31-2011, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
I ask for the canter using these aids. If the horse picks up the incorrect lead, I quickly bring him back to trot and quickly ask for canter again. If the horse simply tries to trot faster I bring him back to a much shorter stride and ask again quickly. The longer you take asking for the canter again, the more likely the horse picks up the same incorrect lead. .
This is the one thing I would not do and especially with a young horse.

They are unbalanced enough and the fact that they broke stride in the canter tells me they haven't the balance or power to carry you. To ask for a canter from an unbalanced trot teaches them nothing but to rush into things anyway they can. Nor would I shorten the striding quickly for a green horse this is rarely possible. Also horses don't think like humans and what is done is forgotten in seconds so taking your time and getting the best trot before you ask again shows the patience needed for a young horse.

It is the rider's JOB to position the horse for the best results, not the fastest ones.
     
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    10-31-2011, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Spyder    
This is the one thing I would not do and especially with a young horse.

They are unbalanced enough and the fact that they broke stride in the canter tells me they haven't the balance or power to carry you.
Who said anything about breaking stride? I said if they picked up the incorrect lead.

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To ask for a canter from an unbalanced trot teaches them nothing but to rush into things anyway they can.
You seem to be reading things into my post that are not there. I said that when they start trotting faster(a sign that they are heavy on the forehand and unable to engage the haunch enough to push into the canter, they must be brought back before attempting again. I also said that the reattempt at the lead must happen as quickly as you can. I don't remember saying to throw the horse into it from an unbalanced "frame", but simply to rebalance quickly.

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Nor would I shorten the striding quickly for a green horse this is rarely possible.
Definitely not in my experience. To shorten a stride is not hard at all, if you use enough leg to maintain enough energy to shorten without loading the forehand. This is something I teach to my green horses before even trying the canter. My horses can do a regular working trot AND shorten the stride and slightly lengthen the stride without affecting the tempo. Until they can do that, they are not ready to canter at all. It is MUCH easier for a young horse to do transitions from a shorter stride. It is much easier, then, for them to push into the transition instead of pull themselves into it with their forehand.

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Also horses don't think like humans and what is done is forgotten in seconds so taking your time and getting the best trot before you ask again shows the patience needed for a young horse.
I have found (actually, I learned this from Capt. Heyer also) that horses are much more prone to repeat an incorrect lead when allowed to go too long before asking again. And, since the trophy awarded in the World Cup in dressage is called the Heyer Cup, I will probably follow what I learned from him.

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It is the rider's JOB to position the horse for the best results, not the fastest ones.
I agree that you must instill/maintain balance in the horse. What I am saying is not to dwell on the "correction" SO long that the horse forgets that he has even been corrected. It doesn't take twenty times around a twenty meter circle to rebalance a horse who has just missed the lead. If you cannot rebalance a horse within one circle....well, you have just lost a better opportunity to retry the canter depart, IME.
     
    10-31-2011, 10:03 PM
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I stand by what I posted and the only error I made is in the breaking stride comment and I should have said incorrect lead but my answer still is to not bring the horse to a trot quickly. If the horse is on the incorrect lead there are balance issues. Your original comment make it sound like you should be hauling him up and without and preparation throw him back to the canter.

Also no where did I even suggest you make twenty circles to get the horse into some semblance of balance. I good horse person would not take that long, but they WOULD ensure the horse is in its best balance before attempting a retry at the canter.
     

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