11-10-2009, 06:17 PM
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#11 | Foal
Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: QLD australia
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Okay there are lots of things wrong with that!!
1. You don't know my horse, even my instructor agrees that he doesn't like dressage!!
2. I don't do ODEs yet because of this!
3. Please don't tell me what my Horse does or doesn't like!!! | 
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11-10-2009, 06:42 PM
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#12 | Started
Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: QLD Aus
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Originally Posted by WelcomeStranger28  Okay there are lots of things wrong with that!!
1. You don't know my horse, even my instructor agrees that he doesn't like dressage!!
2. I don't do ODEs yet because of this!
3. Please don't tell me what my Horse does or doesn't like!!! | Good point Zoe, is your instructor Georgia? I think what they are trying to say is horses "like" jumping because they get a feeling of being free. But with dressage they are constantly on the bit, so they don't get that free feeling as much. I'm not sure though, I know Chinga "loves" to jump and likes flat work, or at least he will tolirate it. | 
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11-10-2009, 10:03 PM
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#13 | Weanling
Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: G-town, 2580 NSW
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your horse should still have a contact with the bit whilst jumping- if your issue with dressage is circle work- well whatever you can do on the circle you can do on a straight line- ie. working on flexion is leg yielding try some shoulder in counter canter etc- and honestly you don't need to be in an arena to practice this- even on days i jump, between jumps i practice traver and renver, play with extensions and collection and even play with pirouettes to prepare for those rollback turns on course. | |
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11-10-2009, 10:09 PM
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#14 | Yearling
Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: alberta
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Originally Posted by ChingazMyBoy Good point Zoe, is your instructor Georgia? I think what they are trying to say is horses "like" jumping because they get a feeling of being free. But with dressage they are constantly on the bit, so they don't get that free feeling as much. I'm not sure though, I know Chinga "loves" to jump and likes flat work, or at least he will tolirate it. | very well said!! although my horse doesnt really appreciate jumping, and i know another horse that jsut stopped jumping altogether and now will only do flatwork (it was at a major jumper barn and dont worry, they made sure it was because the horses jsut didnt want to, no pain or anything!) my horse is happy to do dressage as long as i keep it interesting, but when we jump she just does NOT act happy at all, lol.  | |
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11-10-2009, 11:15 PM
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#15 | Yearling
Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia
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If the horse doesn't want to jump, tough cookies, unless he is in pain or ill he will do what I say. If I want to jump then I will jump, if I don't then I wont. I don't think it should really matter if the horse wants to or not, unless he is of course in pain. | |
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11-10-2009, 11:22 PM
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#16 | Yearling
Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: alberta
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Originally Posted by CrazyChester If the horse doesn't want to jump, tough cookies, unless he is in pain or ill he will do what I say. If I want to jump then I will jump, if I don't then I wont. I don't think it should really matter if the horse wants to or not, unless he is of course in pain. | they couldve made him, but that was supposed to be his career, and They knew he would never jump his best for them, which is what they needed. So now they sold him to somone who rides dressage with him... He has a lot of talent in dressage ;) | |
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11-10-2009, 11:29 PM
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#17 | Yearling
Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia
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I really don't get it..but OK.
Good luck WelcomeStranger28! :) | |
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11-10-2009, 11:48 PM
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#18 | Yearling
Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Australia
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Originally Posted by WelcomeStranger28 Okay there are lots of things wrong with that!!
1. You don't know my horse, even my instructor agrees that he doesn't like dressage!!
2. I don't do ODEs yet because of this!
3. Please don't tell me what my Horse does or doesn't like!!! | Calm down I was just generalising. I know that every horse I've come that the owner has said they 'dont like' something, the real reason is because the horse just acts up or gets bored because the rider is very repetitive with the work and doesn't mix it up to keep the horse thinking. That's all. But if you'd like to get defensive by all means, go for I'll sit back and listen | |
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11-11-2009, 01:34 AM
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#19 | Yearling
Join Date: Aug 2009
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Originally Posted by Kayty Welcomestranger28, horses don't 'not like' things. Jumping is exciting because they get heated up getting to hoon around leaping over things, so it's going to appear as though they 'like jumping'. You are probably refering to dressage as going around and around in endless circles doing the same thing. NOT dressage, thats pony club flat work! Your horse probably 'doesn't like' it because he's just being made to go around and around doing the same thing over and over, dressage is intended to keep the horse thinking, she needs to be tuned into your aids, concentrating on waiting for you to tell her what to do next, not doing circles and straight lines where nothing is changed for each circle, thats when they get nappy because they start thinking of ways to evade the work because they've got the time to think about it!! The exercises ThatNinjaHorse put up are fantastic for keeping a horse thinking, so mix some of those up next time you intend to ride 'dressage'.
Also as for your horse 'not liking' the arena, well tough. You don't like going school I bet, but you have to. You're parents don't let you stay home from school just because you don't like it, you're forced to go and you get there and if you're kept busy you realise it's not so bad. Same with the horse, bet she knows that if she's nappy and acts up in the arena, you won't work her in there and will take her out for a hoon over some jumps in the paddock. Don't avoid the arena, use it as much as you can, a few times a week work on your flatwork IN THE ARENA and then a couple of days go out and jump to mix it up a bit. The majority of serious eventers/showjumpers now days rarely jump there horses more than once to twice a week. They work heavily on their dressage because they know that by getting their horses performing at a decent level of dressage, their jumping will improve 10 fold. It's a very 'young' idea that to improve jumping you just jump! Very not true, you're not going to go out and do well at a showjumping comp or ODE at the higher grades if you can't do a reasonable dressage test, with the horse light, orr the forehand and sharp off your aids. | I couldn't have said it better myself. Not much to add on here, but again, dressage is extremely important for jumping. If it appears that he 'doesn't like it' he is probably bored, try some of the exercises that have been suggested on this thread. Dressage is not meant to be a joy ride to make you happy, it is to train and improve the horse and rider. You should feel ultimately happy when you improve with dressage, as you are making his job a lot easier over the jumps as he learns to balance and collect himself with time.
Last edited by roro; 11-11-2009 at 01:38 AM.
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11-11-2009, 08:02 PM
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#20 | Yearling
Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pennsylvania
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Slightly confused. So your horse is only happy when going over a jump? Doubting it. I hope you realize that dressage is anything OTHER than going over a jump. So cantering to a jump.. you are doing dressage. If you horse really does hate every second other than when you are doing jumps.. you shouldn't be riding him.
I did ride a show jumper a year or so ago when I was training for a dressage comp. and when we would get into the dressage arena and start doing dressage tests, he would act up and start fighting with me. He kind of got bored. But he was fine with regular flat and such.
Why can't you ride your horse in the field if he doesn't like arenas?? Just w/t/canter around the field and ride around the jumps. ;) No horse should be jumped every day. | |
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