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  • What leg do you use to ask for the canter riding dressage

 
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    01-23-2011, 08:44 PM
  #21
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Originally Posted by UWLEquestrian    
For those of you that use both legs in the same position, how do you ask for a specific lead?
See, the reason why I started this thread is because someone on another forum mentioned they use inside leg only to cue for the canter. I'm just trying to understand how that would control the horse's body in order to get the correct lead and why someone would choose to train a horse to canter with solely the inside leg.

They are correct. This is what I do.

The problem as I have mention over many posts is that asking for an outside leg back pushes the haunches into a state of crookedness. For simple trail riding and very low level riding it probably doesn't make much difference in having a crooked horse as further training could not progress anyways.

For those that will need to do half passing and temi changes, then you will want the horse straight and correct. If the rider wants the horse to progress they will use the inside hip closing on the horse and the horse being sensitive at this point will respond in a straight and corrct manner. The outside leg at this point will only guard against the haunches swining out and will act only if that happens.

When you see someone doing flying changes and you see the haunches swing left and right then they are still using this preliminary, beginner aid (outside leg back).
     
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    01-31-2011, 05:39 PM
  #22
Foal
I just put my outside leg back about six inches and use light pressure. My horse picks it up immediately and stays completely straight but I can see how that could cause crookedness in some horses.
My horse will also pick up a canter with a kissy sound, but I only use that when lunging him.
     
    02-01-2011, 12:58 AM
  #23
Trained
I ensure I have created and maintained a balanced, rhythmical trot in which the horse is nicely in front of the leg. Apply a series of slight half halts to let the horse know that it is about to be asked something. Slightly weight my inside stirrup, lift the inside hip and touch with the inside leg. If needed I will put a little outside leg behind the girth if I am on a horse that I feel needs a little more support or if it has a habit of swinging the quarters to to outside.
Why I cue from the inside aids? Exactly for the reasons that Spyder stated. If you only want to burn around a paddock and have some fun mucking around, ask for canter how you like. But if you move to needing to ask for laterals in canter you will unfortunately come unstuck. Asking with inside aids only also gives you the control over which lead you would like - try changing lead through a simple change (either through walk or trot) across the diagonal or on a straight line without losing the quarters if you ask with outside leg behind the girth ;) **** hard and if you get it you've probably fluked it!
My new boy has a nasty habit of swinging his quarters in when asked for canter. He has always been asked with outside leg behind the girth. He has not swung his quarters in for over 2 months now in his canter transitions simply through being cued with inside aids.
     
    02-01-2011, 02:53 PM
  #24
Foal
Thanks for explaining that Spyder and Kayty.
I have always been taught to use the outside leg. I don't think I will ever be doing tempi changes or anything like that with my gelding. I would like to eventually do reining with him, though.
Basically, inside leg is used to ensure that the horse's hindquarters do not move to the inside of the circle, right? You want a straight horse?
So when you ask for a counter-canter, do you use the outside leg then? I'm not very familiar with upper level dressage, and only really have basic knowledge of even the lower levels.
     
    02-01-2011, 06:40 PM
  #25
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Originally Posted by UWLEquestrian    
So when you ask for a counter-canter, do you use the outside leg then? I'm not very familiar with upper level dressage, and only really have basic knowledge of even the lower levels.
In dressage terms the outside will ALWAYS refer to the outside bend of the horse, never the outside relating to the horse's position in the arena.

The inside carries the same reference also.

For counter canter the aids are exactly the same except we will ask for a canter lead that is opposite to a normal canter.


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Originally Posted by UWLEquestrian    
Basically, inside leg is used to ensure that the horse's hindquarters do not move to the inside of the circle, right? You want a straight horse?
True you don't want a crooked horse and overaiding the outside (outside leg back) can create just such a crooked horse.

In our case the inside leg/hip aid is very soft and on a trained horse most people would not even see it. In my case I just think left or right lead canter and I have it instantly.
     
    02-01-2011, 08:47 PM
  #26
Weanling
I do what you do, leg behind girth.
     
    02-01-2011, 09:09 PM
  #27
Yearling
I ususally just get a nice gait (either walk or trot), make sure I have a nice bend. Then I put my inside leg on, outside leg back and turn my seatbones towards the inside. I'm gradually trying to wean Jesse off of the outside leg for the exact reason that Spyder stated.
     
    02-01-2011, 09:17 PM
  #28
Foal
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Originally Posted by Spyder    
In dressage terms the outside will ALWAYS refer to the outside bend of the horse, never the outside relating to the horse's position in the arena.

The inside carries the same reference also.

For counter canter the aids are exactly the same except we will ask for a canter lead that is opposite to a normal canter.




True you don't want a crooked horse and overaiding the outside (outside leg back) can create just such a crooked horse.

In our case the inside leg/hip aid is very soft and on a trained horse most people would not even see it. In my case I just think left or right lead canter and I have it instantly.
Ok, I think I understand now.
I will admit I have ridden horses trained to respond to an outside leg cue and if you just will/think a lead they will immediately pick it up. My horse isn't quite to that point yet.
I wish some reining trainers would chime in. I would like to hear their opinions.
Thanks for explaining that Spyder.
     
    02-01-2011, 09:53 PM
  #29
Yearling
Right leg for the left lead, left leg for the left lead. For leads, I normally jjust shift my weight to the outside, or sometimes I have to bend my inside reign a little and press with my outside leg.
     
    02-01-2011, 10:33 PM
  #30
Foal
I either do a slight nudge with my heel, or cluck. Jake goes into a lope so easy. He'll often just go right into a lope without my asking (which, of course, isn't good, and is being worked on) so it doesn't take much to get him to lope. :)

Emily
     

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