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        06-28-2010, 08:44 AM
      #21
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    One of the things so amusing in the video draftrider posted is that the rider has her hands down by her knees (ok, half way down her thighs) most of the time. Not even close to the right place for a hunter rider to have their hands. But that seems to be the norm.

    Sara, I agree with Maura. This is not what you see at a real hunter/jumper show. Not at all. Breed and open show HUS is only called that because they use English tack. It looks nothing like this at a real hunter show.
         
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        06-28-2010, 09:14 AM
      #22
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
    One of the things so amusing in the video draftrider posted is that the rider has her hands down by her knees (ok, half way down her thighs) most of the time. Not even close to the right place for a hunter rider to have their hands. But that seems to be the norm.

    Sara, I agree with Maura. This is not what you see at a real hunter/jumper show. Not at all. Breed and open show HUS is only called that because they use English tack. It looks nothing like this at a real hunter show.
    Her hands are not in the proper location, even for a breed show. She's probably in a class judged soley on the horse.

    Hunter classes are REAL in any show. This is a breed show, that video shows what that particular type of show is looking for. If you don't like it, don't show it.

    If you go to an upper level hunter show you'll see a very different ride that may be more what you are looking for.

    Quarter horses do very well in the local level hunt shows, which are an even different ride then the upper levels. The upper level horses are very collected (as defined by spyder and maura) and although they have a more forward moving gait, it is very controlled.

    In the local level shows the horses are heavy on the forehand, their heads are in the air and they are moving quickly but not collected.

    Arabs are trained in a very different way, if they are showing in the breed shows, their hus horses move a lot more like the QH ones, although they carry their heads higher. I show at arab breed shows so I know this from experience.

    Quarter horses don't do as well at the higher level hunt shows, unless they are the appendix and even then, it depends on the frame and build of the horse, they have to be able to acheive the way of movement that is being asked in those shows.

    Hunter / Jumper horses are not the same as hunter horses.

    These disciplines are all different. If you don't like one, then choose another. There is something out there for everyone.
         
        06-28-2010, 09:32 AM
      #23
    Green Broke
    I think the hats that the judges are wearing SAY IT ALL....they are looking for a WP Horse with english tack.....

    And as for the rider, I have nothing NICE to say at all, so I'm going to keep my trap shut. At least she rides better than I currently do....ok, so one nice thing lol. But I'm FIXING THAT ha ha.
         
        06-28-2010, 11:25 AM
      #24
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    Farmpony,

    I am very careful to avoid phrases like "real hunters" - there's the USEF hunters, and then there's breed show hunter under saddle, and they're both quite "real", though judged by different standards. It makes perfect sense for a breed show to judge by the breed standard rather than the USEF hunter rule book. And you're absolutely right, QHs that have shown HUS in breed shows tend to do very well in local hunter divisions, (I've had a couple) just not in the USEF rated divisions with the really big moving, typey horses.

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    Quarter horses don't do as well at the higher level hunt shows, unless they are the appendix and even then, it depends on the frame and build of the horse, they have to be able to acheive the way of movement that is being asked in those shows.
    Agree with this statement 100%.

    USEF rated hunters are connected, not collected - you won't find any mention of collection in the rule book, but let's not flog that poor decomposing beast any longer.
         
        06-28-2010, 11:28 AM
      #25
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    I apologize for using the term real to describe a hunter jumper show. I should have used non-breed or USEF. Real was for sure the wrong word. I was not using it to make one sound better than the other, just to distinguish between breed vs USEF type.
         
        06-28-2010, 11:42 AM
      #26
    mls
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cinnys Whinny    
    I think the hats that the judges are wearing SAY IT ALL....they are looking for a WP Horse with english tack.....
    You are not serious? Making a decision based on what the judge is wearing?
         
        06-28-2010, 12:12 PM
      #27
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by mls    
    You are not serious? Making a decision based on what the judge is wearing?
    I was half joking about the hats....but the judges did look to me more like they would be looking for WP than HUS. Just my opinion...may it be right or wrong. I guess it's just me, when I used to show in CA we always had a different judge for Western day and a different one for English and the English judges just were different. They carried themselves differently, they dressed differently, they talked differently. But, that was 10 years ago, and it was in Southern California....I know things change. I know perceptions can be wrong...
         
        06-28-2010, 12:20 PM
      #28
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    Originally Posted by mls    
    You are not serious? Making a decision based on what the judge is wearing?
    I have to admit... I too am guilty of basing my decision on what the judge is wearing. I remember I went to an invitational once and the judge had on this long flowing scarf and these movie star sunglasses... I decided then and there she was going to be a flake! LOL....
         
        06-28-2010, 03:30 PM
      #29
    Trained
    Goodness, I don't care WHAT show you're showing at. All HUS horses should move out, instead of dragging their feet in the sand. I haven't watched a HUS class in five years, but five years ago at our Summer Classic we had big, muscular QH's moving out, head sup, looking ready to compete. I loved it. I even competed with a mare of mine one year because she moved out too much for WP.

    Lord, how things have changed in a short amount of time.
         
        06-28-2010, 03:41 PM
      #30
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    Stock horse breed show HUS classes have not gone to this in the last five years. It has been a much longer time than that.

    I tried riding in an appaloosa show (which follows along with the QH trends, behind them) 12years ago with my horse that I do Hunter/Jumper shows at and I was told my one judge that my horse is just too fast and is not broke in the head. Hmmmm... OK. He travels level with his nose poked out slightly and he has a trot.

    So for sure more than five years.
         

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