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post #11 of 80 Old 12-31-2011, 08:04 PM
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Feel better soon, lots of hugs coming your way!!
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post #12 of 80 Old 12-31-2011, 08:29 PM
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It appears to me that you're looking for that mythical creature, the 'bombproof horse'. The only truly bombproof horse is a dead one.

Live horses have their own minds and desires, and those don't always dovetail with what the human on their back wants or expects of them.

At 17 y/o, and having had several years off to do nothing but hang out and be a horse, I'd expect him to have a few issues to work out. Even the quietest, most well trained, best behaved horse is going to act out at times, especially one who hasn't been asked to work in awhile.

I'm not unsympathetic and I'm very sorry you got hurt, but if you're looking for a horse who will never act like one, you're better off giving up riding.

If you're not comfortable with the idea that it's not IF you get hurt, but when and how badly, then riding isn't for you. It's all about acceptable risk. If you can't accept the inherent risk, then you're better off not riding at all.

I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but riding is dangerous. Either you can accept the risks and realize horses are unpredictable, or you can't. It's up to you to decide what you can and can't deal with.
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post #13 of 80 Old 12-31-2011, 08:37 PM
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OP, I've had a horse who'd just unseated me stay there & look really concerned, & others witnessed it, so you're not imagining that the same happened with your horse.

1.He's been in a field for 2 years.

2.He's new to you, so is inclined to test you (even though he likes you!).

3.He decided that a test was due after you refused to let him eat the grass that he wanted. (I'm a believer in allowing snatches of grass during a ride, to keep things friendly!)

4. You might've relaxed too much, at the end of the ride.

5. Lord knows what else! :) Yet, I agree with your wanting to know what it was, so as to be prepared for next time!

I'm not going to suggest you keep him nor suggest that you let him go; the chemistry between horse & human is just too personal for that. What I do suggest is that you get him really cooperative & having fun with you via groundwork, before you ride him again.

Also, the belief that you should remount any horse that's bucked you off is just nonsense! 9 times out of 10, the person shouldn't've gotten on the horse in the 1st place!
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Two years off is long enough for any horse to lose his work ethic. If he was formerly a well trained horse, he knows all the tricks and has some opinions about the ways things should be done. Sounds like he had a brat moment when he wanted to eat that grass and unfortunately the result was bad. That is a good sign that he looked like a dejected puppy dog after tossing you. He sounds like a keeper, probably just a little more time with your trainer in the saddle until he gets his work ethic back. Maybe find a nice second hand protective vest to protect your ribs once you're back riding.

In the whole grand scheme of things, until your doctor says "you again" when you enter the ER, you're still in the game! Enjoy those happy pills!
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post #15 of 80 Old 12-31-2011, 10:19 PM
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I personally would move on as it will be difficult to trust him and you have nothing invested at this point. I do not think it is normal for a horse to buck after 2 years off especially a 17 year old. He may be fresh but bucking is not a good thing regardless of how nice he was after.

I have had many well broke horses that have had 2 years off and when back to work never had an issue. If you decide to continue I would let someone else ride him consistantly for 30 days and see if any other accidents happen. I also would not let him get his way and eat grass or he will want to all the time.
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post #16 of 80 Old 12-31-2011, 10:47 PM
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I don't think you should give up on him yet, but I think it would be a good idea to have your trainer ride him the next few times and have her help you do some ground work with him. It's impossible to say what caused the incident, he may have just been being a brat and testing you, or it could have been a pain response(if it was spring/summer I'd say maybe a bee stung him, I've been there). The horse seems to like you, and I do believe they feel remorse(maybe not the way we do). Every horse you ride(for the most part) will test you at some point in your relationship, My horse bucked on me when I tried to make him walk away from the barn, he didn't unseat me tho.

I hope you recover soon. This horse sounds like he would be a great partner once you and him get the kinks worked out.
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Thanks...that is why i feel so confused about what I should do. I know horses can spook at any time and if he had spooked, I wouldn't even be questionning whether or not I should continue with the transfer of ownership. But this felt like a tantrum...and that is a whole different story. I guess I just don't know enough about what to expect from a horse that hasn't been worked in two years.

He knows how to side pass...and even "parks out" when I dismount sometimes so I know he had some training in the past. And I also know that he probably prefers just standing in the field.

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post #18 of 80 Old 12-31-2011, 10:56 PM
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Any horse will prefer hangin' in his field to being handled/ridden by a human who doesn't have the savvy to make it fun for him.

Becoming the interesting leader for the horse is the challenge for the human. When that happens, the horse'll be waiting at the gate. :)

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post #19 of 80 Old 12-31-2011, 11:27 PM
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I'm sorry you got hurt and sending big hugs your way.

I don't think you should give up on this guy so soon. You need to rest and heal right now but we all learn at some point or another that there is no such thing as a bombproof horse, they are living, decision making animals - don't take that for granted - you will never take out the fight or flight instinct from these animals.

From the information provided in your first post, this horse has been out of work for quite some time ... first I would investigate to see if it is a pain issue or not. It is never a bad idea to rule out pain. Have him vet checked and have his saddle fit evaluated. If he is coming back into work now, his shape may be changing and maybe the saddle isn't as great of a fit for him anymore. If it is not a pain issue, then it may be a little bit of disrespect (attitude) and I would expect that from a horse who has not been in work for so long. They will test you. In this case I would go back to the ground and build a solid foundation - do this with the help of an experienced horse person (ie your coach/trainer). Build this foundation and then get lessons in the saddle with him.

If the owner will let you, take your time with him so that you are absolutely sure he is the horse for you.
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post #20 of 80 Old 01-01-2012, 10:47 AM
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I have a horse that is very much like the horse you describe. Let me explain...

We moved into the country to raise our kids away from the perils of the city. Nice dream, but it didn't work out the way we planned. THAT is a long story I won't bore you with, but we acquired horses as part of the plan. At one time we had seven horses. Like everything else, time changes things and we are down to two now. During our adventure we enjoyed family trail rides and field picnics. We also hosted a horse focused 4H group for a year or two.

Ten years ago I bought a motorcycle after not having ridden for more than 20 years. I had stopped riding motorcycles when my family began to grow. Now that I am an "empty-nester," I felt it was ok to ride again. However, that meant that the horses we had acquired became lawn ornaments. We feed every day and lay hands on all of our animals, just being responsible, but we just don't take the time to tack up when we can simply turn a key and ride.

Fast forward to this week. After three different motorcycles (I still have my dream bike in the garage and rode to work this week) I found my desire to ride my horse again. More importantly, my wife announced that she wanted to start riding again. That's why I'm here...because I become obsessed with what ever I get involved in and this forum has become a tool that I use to educate myself about trends and tools.

I rode my horse for the first time, this year, last weekend. I hope to ride again tomorrow, weather permitting.

When we led the 4H group, we taught that the most important point that every young person learn: NEVER take anything about your horse for granted. That's when you will get hurt. NEVER let your guard down. I carry that lesson in my head, constantly, when I am working around our horses, and riding my mare. I love her, but she's hot and strong willed. After not having been ridden for almost 12 months, she picked up on every single cue I provided. She is absolutely wonderful, but she still tests me every time, just to be sure I've brought my A game. She wants to be sure I'm paying attention. At 55 years old, I am also very very careful about placing myself in a position of risk. I always remember that I don't bounce as well as I did when I was much younger. Therefore, I must always be as attuned to the circumstances at hand. I have come off my mare in the past, and I've been lucky to have not been hurt. But riding horses and being around horses include an amount of risk. I am very aware of that and I hold that first lesson very high in my mind when ever I am in the field, riding or feeding.

Addressing your incident: I don't believe that you did anything wrong or that you will always be able to know why this or any horse does what ever they do. The best you can do is to be on guard, ride with your best technique, and always be aware. Even then, you can be surprised. That's the nature of our sport.

I am sorry you are hurt. I have cracked a rib and I would agree with your assessment: ribs are one of the most painful things I have EVER experienced. Of course, being a guy, I haven't given birth, but I have had various surgeries and none of those hurt as much as a cracked rib. EVERY move, every breath, every moment is pain, for a while. But it will get better.

I would not give up on this horse. Based on the information that you provide, this horse is a good match. The positive things that you can list: you have some experience with him. Not much, but some. Any other horse will be like starting over and you already have the benefit of the limited amount of experience you have already acquired. Plus, you have the benefit of a trainer that has ridden this horse and agreed with the quality and basic mind set of the horse. Maybe an easier way to state my opinion is to quote an old saying: "A bird in the hand..." You have the benefit of a "known quantity." I will caution you, though, that I am bias because I love quarter horses. The can do attitude combined with the stocky, chunky, muscley build packaged in an athletic body. I just love 'em.

So, heal up, feel the warm sunshine on your face, enjoy your new horse, and ride with awareness. Take nothing for granted, wear your helmet and enjoy. I believe that you have found a diamond in the rough. A little rough that can be worked out. He hasn't been ridden for a while so he's not used to listening to someone else's will or instruction. That can be changed and you can develop into a wonderful team; horse and rider, friends. It's time to cowboy up. Let's ride!

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