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post #11 of 31 Old 04-22-2012, 12:21 AM
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Stop kicking her. Stop trying to "drive" her the entire time.

Selena came to me with this problem and at the barn I train for I get so many horses with the same problems.

You need to take the split reins, whip, spur, ANYTHING you can to make her go. Razzmitaz her. MAKE her move her feet.

My biggest thing here is that you said you keep driving her. Do NOT do this. Ask once softly. Ask a bit harder. Then finally get after her and make her think her world is crashing down no matter WHAT you have to do. Then, when she goes, stop driving. Let her go into an easy cruise control. The second she breaks down, get RIGHT on her again until she goes then relax. Stop riding. Loose rein. No kicking. No driving. That is her reward.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
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...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #12 of 31 Old 04-22-2012, 08:24 AM
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Stop kicking her. Stop trying to "drive" her the entire time.

Selena came to me with this problem and at the barn I train for I get so many horses with the same problems.

You need to take the split reins, whip, spur, ANYTHING you can to make her go. Razzmitaz her. MAKE her move her feet.

My biggest thing here is that you said you keep driving her. Do NOT do this. Ask once softly. Ask a bit harder. Then finally get after her and make her think her world is crashing down no matter WHAT you have to do. Then, when she goes, stop driving. Let her go into an easy cruise control. The second she breaks down, get RIGHT on her again until she goes then relax. Stop riding. Loose rein. No kicking. No driving. That is her reward.
^^this. Is AMAZING advice. Please use it! I have been that girl who is always "talking" and always "asking" her horse to move, he just toons me right on out. You tell him his job one time, then DEMAND it, then sit pretty and let him do it! :) good luck!
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post #13 of 31 Old 04-22-2012, 08:37 AM
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Is it just me?! This horse is only 3 years old, still growing. I wouldn't be putting 'miles' onto a 3 year old, I'd be taking it at a pace that suits the horse. Sounds to me that this mare just isn't ready for what you're asking yet.
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post #14 of 31 Old 04-22-2012, 09:34 AM
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Is it just me?! This horse is only 3 years old, still growing. I wouldn't be putting 'miles' onto a 3 year old, I'd be taking it at a pace that suits the horse. Sounds to me that this mare just isn't ready for what you're asking yet.
No, it's not just you. I was just about to say same myself after reading the OP. Collection, sidepassing, etc. for (just) 3 year old is LOTS to ask for, especially if asked in short time (how it sounds to me). At 3 years old they still have a mind of a baby, and should be treated as one (keep it nice, short, and interesting, and clear and easy for the horse to understand). I'd forget about all that and would start with basics (that are clearly not there): teach it to respond to the cues, move forward, then the transitions, etc.
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I know the type, not my type at all! Not yours either from the sounds of it. An old timer trainer once told me that 'a good walkin' horse is a good horse' meaning that if you get on and the horse steps out like he/she is going somewhere, you have a ready and willing partner. I tend to agree.

I would try getting out on the trails, you need to find a way to inspire these types and sometimes arena/pattern work just doesn't do the trick. If possible, take a riding buddy with a horse that has more motivation than your horse as yours will be inclined to want to keep up. This is often a good way to put some miles on a youngster in a gentle way and it is a good time to get them used to seeing new things.

Also, whilst I don't necessarily disagree that you should use a whip, spurs or whatever, I prefer not to start that way with the young ones - if it is possible to cause them to want to be more forward (i.e. Pique their interest in being ridden) I find it's best to start that way. Sometimes it's just a matter of finding what really motivates a horse, if you can do that you will find a much more forward horse. Then you can introduce more complicated concepts.
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post #16 of 31 Old 04-22-2012, 10:14 AM
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I am guessing you are not on the top 10 of her hit parade either, OP. If you hate her that much, perhaps you would be better off having someone else ride her. As has been said-she is very young. For you to have no patience for her and not like her already is pretty much not fair to her. Get on with a good attitude or not at all, JMHO. Riding needs to be mainly a positive experience for her, or you will ruin her.
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post #17 of 31 Old 04-22-2012, 12:43 PM Thread Starter
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I've been trying to make it positive for both of us, and I know she's young, I think I'm just expecting her to be like my 4 year old was when she was 3, they're exact oppisites.

By "collection" I meant giving at the poll and bringing her nose in, instead of sticking it out. I don't know what the proper term is for that one.

I've had to deal with horses that weren't confident enough to move out, and I've had no problems with them. I'm just not a big fan of this mares attitude. You'd think when you take a 3 year old out and ride around 100 cows, she'd get a little spunk and start being interested in something. But, nope. The only thing she has been interested in was following the dog when he was on the trail in front of us. She was all over that.

Last night, I pulled a railroad tie around the yard with her. She didn't do anything. Didn't even look at it.

I turned out a few of the spunky yearling heifers and tried to play with them. It took her 15 minutes to actually pay attention and start looking at them.

I guess I just got spoiled with my 3 year old last year that had the "Oooooh. Let's go see." attitude, and I never really had to kick her, she always listened to a squeeze, or a kiss, and we were off.

I guess a calm horse is what my mom wants (her other horse is a go-go fast type...) and I just can't get along with it...

I have used the reins as an extra cue, and I think I'll have to do it more.
Thanks for the advice from those who've handled a horse like this... I hadn't encountered it before.

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I know the type, not my type at all! Not yours either from the sounds of it. An old timer trainer once told me that 'a good walkin' horse is a good horse' meaning that if you get on and the horse steps out like he/she is going somewhere, you have a ready and willing partner. I tend to agree.
Yes, I like this too....a horse that will cover country, has his ears up, reins swinging and looking for more! :)

OP, Give this filly some time. She might be a laid back kind of horse, but she still might need some time to wake up and get interested. I have put colts on cattle and it seemed like it took forever until they decided to get interested and hooked on. But later bacame great horses....just took them awhile.

In the mean time work on getting a response from her instead picking at her. Its easy to pick at one that you don't really care for, I understand that. Good advice above for getting her to move her feet. Just want to add, when you go to spank with the end of the rein and she peels out, don't stop her. She needs to understand that you are asking her to move. I have seen people try this method and get worried when the horse squirts out, the rider pulls back...conflicting signals. Then they just give up. If you're clear and consistant she will figure out what speed your asking for.
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post #19 of 31 Old 05-01-2012, 07:30 PM
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If I ride my horse for a few hours she gets really lazy and doesnt want to walk anymore so I use a crop, and I don't just tap her butt, I kick her with my heels and if she doesnt go I smack her suuuperrr hard with the crop so she knows im not playing around and she can't ignore my commands like that. If you don't have a crop, use a tree branch!
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post #20 of 31 Old 05-01-2012, 08:32 PM
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If I ride my horse for a few hours she gets really lazy and doesnt want to walk anymore so I use a crop, and I don't just tap her butt, I kick her with my heels and if she doesnt go I smack her suuuperrr hard with the crop so she knows im not playing around and she can't ignore my commands like that. If you don't have a crop, use a tree branch!
Am I reading this right? You ride your horse "for a few hours.." THEN need a crop SUUUPERRR hard? Maybe you need to rethink your rides. Perhaps she is not conditioned to be ridden "a few hours."

This is TOTALLY different that what the OP is asking. THey are not dealing with an exhausted horse, which, at least to me, it sounds like YOU are.
I sure hope you typed something wrong.
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