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post #1 of 12 Old 06-20-2012, 07:26 PM Thread Starter
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im looking for a bit like this..

Charmayne James Ryan Sliding Gag Bit - Horse.com
I've been using this for 4 years on my QH and tried it on my moms 3 year old and it worked amazing down the road I got him to stop, turn and run, but I don't wanna spend 73 dollars again, and I want to finding something similar to it that would work for riding around, trail and barrels.

Anyone use something like it that you use and love? With a shank? He has his head tucked all the time like english horse. So my snaffle worked but I had to really pull to do anything and with my QH its a light tug and he stops..
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post #2 of 12 Old 06-20-2012, 07:56 PM
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Personally sounds like you need to work on softening with the snaffle. However if you like that bit look around for a used one. There are some barrel tack swap sites on facebook and various other sites you can look on. Don't go for the cheal version as just with everything else ...you generally get what you pay for.
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Either spend the money or look for a used one....

I have had great success with Barrel Racing Tack Swap. Just post what your looking for and somebody is bound to have a used one they are willing to sell.

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post #4 of 12 Old 06-20-2012, 09:42 PM
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i'm sorry but I just have to say that bit is awful. I don't mind the gag so much as I mind the twisted wire mouthpiece. Personally my opinion is that if you need a bit that operates on pain, you need training, period. The gag isn't necessarily painful, but i've never met a horse that found a wire to be "nice" on their mouths.

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post #5 of 12 Old 06-22-2012, 12:44 AM Thread Starter
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i'm sorry but I just have to say that bit is awful. I don't mind the gag so much as I mind the twisted wire mouthpiece. Personally my opinion is that if you need a bit that operates on pain, you need training, period. The gag isn't necessarily painful, but i've never met a horse that found a wire to be "nice" on their mouths.
my horses are fine they love the bit my QH will do anything in it not on pain. Its a very nice bit thank you, and I atleast know how to ride and not pull on their mouths, its not that big of a twist and was recomended to me by 3 different trainers..
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my horses are fine they love the bit my QH will do anything in it not on pain. Its a very nice bit thank you, and I atleast know how to ride and not pull on their mouths, its not that big of a twist and was recomended to me by 3 different trainers..
Then you need better trainers. If you honestly believe that bit is a "nice" bit and doesn't use pain to operate, then you really do not have any business using it on any horse. However, using it on a three year old is just horrid. Instead of putting a huge contraption in his mouth and around his face that will hurt him if he doesn't listen, start him in a snaffle and teach him how to listen first. You are taking an un-touched mouth and putting that in it... You need to send the three year old to a trainer too, because you are not educated enough about when to use twists and gags, as well as curbs. A three year old is going to be ruined if they are started with that.

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Charmayne James Ryan Sliding Gag Bit - Horse.com
I've been using this for 4 years on my QH and tried it on my moms 3 year old and it worked amazing down the road I got him to stop, turn and run, but I don't wanna spend 73 dollars again, and I want to finding something similar to it that would work for riding around, trail and barrels.

Anyone use something like it that you use and love? With a shank? He has his head tucked all the time like english horse. So my snaffle worked but I had to really pull to do anything and with my QH its a light tug and he stops..
Wow. I just lost respect for Charmayne James. THere are some horrid bits she makes, including this one. Training is the answer. Period. There are no shortcuts in life. You will end up with a horse who has huge holes in their training, that will show up in performance, if not now-later. Especially a 3 yr old! Chances are his "head is tucked all the time" trying to avoid your hands! Lighten up-the results will be amazing. Yeah, I ride reiners, and use a shank bit too, but the only leverage on it is the weight of the 1/2" reins. I NEVER have to touch the bit with my hands, and he turns on a dime. Please train your horse. No matter what bit you use, you really cannot outpower a 1000# horse, in the end. You want them LIGHT!
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my horses are fine they love the bit my QH will do anything in it not on pain. Its a very nice bit thank you, and I atleast know how to ride and not pull on their mouths, its not that big of a twist and was recomended to me by 3 different trainers..
ANY WIRE BIT - especially a TWISTED one operates on PAIN not pressure. Period. If you can't get the response you need in a simple bit, there are holes in your training. Even my advanced foxhunter can hack both in the ring in a mullen mouth no port snaffle (not curb - direct pressure) as well as w/t/c and jump and do fig-8s at the canter in 10m circles with flying changes bridleless. If you need ANYTHING twisted, you need to reevaluate your training. PERIOD.

There is a very big difference between pressure and pain. My horse goes in a myler level 3 3-ring combo bit (which has a mullen mouth) as he prefers nose pressure over anything strong in his mouth. The result is that even out on a foxhunt i've got control without causing pain.
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Heck that bit looks... severe! Sorry, but that was my first impression. Was he broken in that bit? Idk about western, but I guess its the same as english, but I thought most people bridle broke horses with a simple snaffel bit. IMO a good horse will listen to the softest of bits and is only put in a stronger bit, or a bit with a different action, for training purposes- eg double bridle for more advanced dressage. The horse has to learn what is expected of him with a soft bit before being expected to do something in a different type of bit.

More complex bits comes after more advanced training when the bit is needed for more refined aids, the bit doesn't bring about the leap between happy hacker and advanced show horse, training does.

If you are set on getting a bit like that, you could try some similar bits before buying to see how the horse works in them. I would deffinately reccomend trying some none-twisted, slightly thicker mouthed bits first.

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I wish I could like some of the posts within this form a thousand times over! I totally agree here that bit is excessive in my opinion. Any horse with the right training should NOT need a bit like that. I personally would not do that to my horse! A lot of barrel racers seem to assume they need a bit like that to run barrels in the first place! WRONG. Maybe the horse needs a less harsh bit like that, fine I do understand. My gelding can run in a hack! Or even a snaffle. Again, the training comes into play. I would just not go with the twisted mouth and maybe try a less severe bit. JMHO.

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