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    09-27-2011, 10:21 PM
  #21
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I was also taught a whip is for "Forward!" while spurs are more for refinement.
I know horses can dull out to spurs faster than to a whip, but it all depends on how these tools are used. It's jsut that so many riders apply leg with nearly every stride. Nothing could dull a horse out faster then if you did this with spurs on.

I think several folks keyed into the point that if your horse freaks out with a whip/crop in hand, then this is something that needs to be looked at as a place for desensitizing. He might be reactive to a lot of things, so maybe you should look at that and see if can tolerate things above and around him and such. I agree that work on the ground with a dressage whip in hand may help here.
     
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    09-28-2011, 12:54 AM
  #22
Yearling
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Originally Posted by BaileyJo    
Also, I assume you carry the crop on the inside of the circle?
yes. Crop and/or dressage whip I always carry on the inside.

I went out to ride today. Our weather is changing from pretty cool to pretty hot, so he was feeling quite spry today. We hacked around for a while and he was a joy.
I decided to take advantage of his good mood and I put him in the round pen. I brought the dressage whip out with me and he was fine with it until I touched him. Haha!
He snorted at me and was moving away from it, but he didn't get explosive. We got to the point to where I could run it over her shoulder, belly, and the top of his rump without him moving away. I think it's something I will do with him every day for the next couple weeks before I actually try carrying it in the saddle.
     
    09-28-2011, 03:42 AM
  #23
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Eventually you will want to be able to put the dressage whip on him even when he is walking and not have him wig out. It's important to have horses accept scary things while standing AND moving. There are horses that seem ok with a rope on them or a whip or a jacket bumping on them while they are standing, but once they start to move, they lose it. I would work with him on a leadline and being real friendly just walke next to him and eventually get him to tolerate the whip moving around him while he continues to walk around you.
     
    09-28-2011, 10:39 AM
  #24
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Oxer    
yes. Crop and/or dressage whip I always carry on the inside.
That was a question for myself. Not meaning to ask you directly in such a a tone. Is that where we carry it? I didn't know.

Sorry!
     
    09-28-2011, 10:58 AM
  #25
mls
Trained
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Originally Posted by BaileyJo    
That was a question for myself. Not meaning to ask you directly in such a a tone. Is that where we carry it? I didn't know.

Sorry!
As to why - the most obvious reason is carrying on the rail could interfere with movement - smacking rails or posts.

However my dressage instructor told me it was so the judge could see that you were using it correctly.

If I need to carry a whip - it's a dressage whip. And always contact behind the riders leg. A crop, quirt and bat are short. You have to shift your body to use. The horse gets the idea and will pop their body out of position to avoid contact.
     
    09-28-2011, 11:02 AM
  #26
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by mls    
As to why - the most obvious reason is carrying on the rail could interfere with movement - smacking rails or posts.

However my dressage instructor told me it was so the judge could see that you were using it correctly.

If I need to carry a whip - it's a dressage whip. And always contact behind the riders leg. A crop, quirt and bat are short. You have to shift your body to use. The horse gets the idea and will pop their body out of position to avoid contact.

See over here above the first two levels you're not to compete with a whip! Spurs, no problemos, but no whips. Where as I can appreciate schooling with a whip on the odd occassion if a horse needs correcting, I really don't enjoy having to carry one all the time, and find that if you can, training your horse with your seat and legs is better for impulsion.

Despite wearing spurs, they're very rarely needed, only if she needs a wee reminder that yes, that's my outside leg or for her to pick her trunk up so she can move better once warmed up.

Just a personal opinion though, everyone has to try whats right for them and their situation :)
     
    09-28-2011, 11:06 AM
  #27
Green Broke
I didnt read this whole thing, only the first few threads. But what I would do.

Put both reins in one hand, reach back and pop him in the butt with your hand. Grab the cantle once you do so if you are worried about a reaction. This will keep your but in place incase of something happening. If he takes off don't pull back and stop him, let him move forward. After all that is what you want right? He is only doing what he is told, so if he breaks into a canter let him canter a few strides, break down and ask for the extension again. Sounds like to me he is rather feel-y. So riding with a crop or something along those lines might not be needed. He just needs a little wake up call. Make sure when you pop him in the butt you make a sound such as a cluck or say "trot". Do this a few times so he associates the sound with the pop, and he will move. This eliminates the hassle of carrying a crop or a whip. Along with him "freaking out" as much. I would also suggest spurs, they will help reinforce forward motion. Good luck.
     
    09-28-2011, 11:40 AM
  #28
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I usually carry my whip in my right hand. When in a dressage ring, there usually is no high rail for the whip to hit. The only real disdvantage is when doing a circle and the whip is on the outside. I have to flip the whip a bit harder to go across my thigh and still hit the haunch (since the bend puts the haunch a bit further away. If a horse has a really bad left side, then I will carry in just the left hand.

I never change the whip to the other hand in a test....never. The inconsistency in contact that it would cause is not an option, IMO.
     
    09-28-2011, 12:06 PM
  #29
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
I never change the whip to the other hand in a test....never. The inconsistency in contact that it would cause is not an option, IMO.
This is good to know. I always change to the inside because I always thought it was some kind of unspoken rule.

Also I have one more question:
If just carrying the whip gives me the reaction I want from him without ever having to touch him with it, is this a good thing or is this just him being fearful still? Does anyone have horses that are like that, where you can just carry it and the horse knows you mean business without tapping them with it??
     
    09-29-2011, 02:45 PM
  #30
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Oxer    
Also I have one more question:
If just carrying the whip gives me the reaction I want from him without ever having to touch him with it, is this a good thing or is this just him being fearful still? Does anyone have horses that are like that, where you can just carry it and the horse knows you mean business without tapping them with it??
Yes, carry it! It's a win-win situation: either you will get the energy you want without effort; or your horse will get so used to the whip he'll ignore it-- which is almost what you wanted to begin with! Don't worry about what the horse thinks you think; they don't think the same way.

I carried a whip for a year before my horse finally got used to it. When I actually had to use it, it was easy. It wasn't till afterwards that it occurred to me to carry other things (duh!) and I had to deal with difficulties all over again, but finally I was able to take a paper bag of cookies to my friend about a mile away-- that was a real accomplishment.
     

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